b16a vteck question

[ninzee]

Not the same.

JDM B16A is 158HP or 117.82KW
The B16A2 is 170HP or 126.77KW

And the JDM B16A with 158HP is considered by many builders to be the 'strongest' of the B16's, in terms of toughness, not power output.

JDM B16A (First Generation)
The first VTEC engine Note: All JDM B16A engines are stamped 'B16A' (with no number after the "A" to identify version).

VTEC
Found in:
1988-1991 JDM Honda Integra RSi/XSi (DA6/DA8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda CRX SiR (EF8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda Civic SiR (EF9)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.2:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: 160ps (118 kW) @ 7,600rpm & 15.5kgm (152 Nm) @ 7,000rpm
Redline: 8100 RPM
Transmission: S1/J1/YS1 (4.4 final drive), Y1 (4.266 final drive, cable clutch, optional LSD)
ECU code: PR3-003 (DA6/DA8), PW0-000 (EF8/EF9/DA6)
ODB0

JDM B16A (Second Generation)
Found in:
1991-1994 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EG6)
1991-1993 JDM Honda Civic Ferio SiR (EG9)
1992-1995 JDM Honda CRX Delsol SiR (EG2)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EK4)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Ferio Si (EK4)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.4:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: MT: 170ps (125.kW) @ 7,800rpm & 16.0kgm (156.91 Nm) @ 7,300rpm (AT: 160ps (114.0 kW) @ 7,300rpm & 15.6kgm (152.98 Nm) @ 6,500rpm)
Redline: 8200 RPM (AT: 7700 RPM)
Transmission: S4C/Y21/S21 (4.4 final drive, optional LSD)
ECU code: P28 (EG2), P30 (EG2/EG6)
ODB1/ODB2

B16A2
VTEC
Found in:


1992-2000 Honda Civic EDM VTi (EG6/EG9 & EK4)
1992-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol EDM VTi (EG)
1996-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol USDM "VTEC"
1999-2000 Honda Civic USDM Si (EM1)
1999-2000 Honda Civic CAN SiR (EM1)
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Bore×Stroke: 81.0×77.4 mm (3.19×3.05 in)
Compression: 10.2:1
Power: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (150 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Transmission: Y21 or S4C
Redline...8000 RPM
Rev Limit...8450 RPM
VTEC Engagement...5,500 RPM
aluminium casting

wikipedia extract

[Chr1s]

It's quite obvious to me that a B16A in MT OR AT does NOT make 125kw standard. How is the above correct? On an engine dyno, more than likely though.

Someone might want to edit that article.

[Alexx]

why so much confusion? the wiki article is correct. The figures are at the engine.

Jdm b16a gen1 motors make 160hp
Jdm b16a gen2 motors make 170hp
Audm b16a2 gen2 motors make 160hp.

Simple

[GSi_PSi]

Isnt it flywheel Hp? not from a dyno atw

[ninzee]

Isnt it flywheel Hp? not from a dyno atw

exactly all specs are from flywheel

[Oxer]

You can't make that swap. If you swap an engine it MUST be the same age or newer than your car. Since you're driving an EG, which weren't made before 1992, you'll need a newer engine unless you use a different bottom-end like I mentioned earlier.

Otherwise, just check the Parts for Sale section - there's always a couple going around. Or make a Want to Buy thread in that section.


It's a bit of a pity because the original B16A is often considered to be the strongest, but because it's so old it's not easy/legal to get it swapped into newer cars.
So use a B16A2 or if you can get a cheap one (like Beeza's) get a B18C2.

Are you serious? Damn, I was going to put in my b16 from a crx into my eg..... Looks like i need a new block

[Chr1s]

Dougie,

That information is wrong.

Engineering point of view states that the engine swapped into the chassis can be older but it will have to meet emissions standards of the chassis year. IE; B16 must meet the emissions of the 1992 EG. Which is very easy to do, Honda motors are very clean.

If the EG was released in Australia with a B16, we could use ANY year model B16 since it is the same platform engine, regardless of 1989 or 1996 for example.

All in all;

- If the car is released with that engine in it standard, the swap is legal and does NOT need engineering.
- If the car is receiving an engine that is older than the chassis and not part of the OEM engine line up for that car, an emissions test is in order to clarify the legality of the swap.

[ninzee]

Dougie,

That information is wrong.

Engineering point of view states that the engine swapped into the chassis can be older but it will have to meet emissions standards of the chassis year. IE; B16 must meet the emissions of the 1992 EG. Which is very easy to do, Honda motors are very clean.

If the EG was released in Australia with a B16, we could use ANY year model B16 since it is the same platform engine, regardless of 1989 or 1996 for example.

All in all;

- If the car is released with that engine in it standard, the swap is legal and does NOT need engineering.
- If the car is receiving an engine that is older than the chassis and not part of the OEM engine line up for that car, an emissions test is in order to clarify the legality of the swap.

ye i think your right i got a 93 del sol sir engine in my 94 vti and the conversion was done just over a year ago

[dougie_504]

JDM B16A (First Generation)
The first VTEC engine Note: All JDM B16A engines are stamped 'B16A' (with no number after the "A" to identify version).

VTEC
Found in:
1988-1991 JDM Honda Integra RSi/XSi (DA6/DA8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda CRX SiR (EF8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda Civic SiR (EF9)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.2:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: 160ps (118 kW) @ 7,600rpm & 15.5kgm (152 Nm) @ 7,000rpm
Redline: 8100 RPM
Transmission: S1/J1/YS1 (4.4 final drive), Y1 (4.266 final drive, cable clutch, optional LSD)
ECU code: PR3-003 (DA6/DA8), PW0-000 (EF8/EF9/DA6)
ODB0

JDM B16A (Second Generation)
Found in:
1991-1994 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EG6)
1991-1993 JDM Honda Civic Ferio SiR (EG9)
1992-1995 JDM Honda CRX Delsol SiR (EG2)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EK4)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Ferio Si (EK4)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.4:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: MT: 170ps (125.kW) @ 7,800rpm & 16.0kgm (156.91 Nm) @ 7,300rpm (AT: 160ps (114.0 kW) @ 7,300rpm & 15.6kgm (152.98 Nm) @ 6,500rpm)
Redline: 8200 RPM (AT: 7700 RPM)
Transmission: S4C/Y21/S21 (4.4 final drive, optional LSD)
ECU code: P28 (EG2), P30 (EG2/EG6)
ODB1/ODB2

B16A2
VTEC
Found in:


1992-2000 Honda Civic EDM VTi (EG6/EG9 & EK4)
1992-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol EDM VTi (EG)
1996-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol USDM "VTEC"
1999-2000 Honda Civic USDM Si (EM1)
1999-2000 Honda Civic CAN SiR (EM1)
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Bore×Stroke: 81.0×77.4 mm (3.19×3.05 in)
Compression: 10.2:1
Power: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (150 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Transmission: Y21 or S4C
Redline...8000 RPM
Rev Limit...8450 RPM
VTEC Engagement...5,500 RPM
aluminium casting

wikipedia extract

Wikipedia is not a valid source man.

However, I believe that the CRX Video Catalogue released specifically by Honda which I have on DVD is valid. And that states that the first generation B16A found in the JDM EF8 CRX SiR produces 158HP and redlines at 8200RPM.

Though I think you're right, the B16A2 makes 160 HP and I was confused with the B16A II lol

But the alleged figures from the information you provided don't even give accurate power conversions from HP to KW. 1 HP = 0.7457 KW.

Therefore:
158 HP = 117.8206 KW
160 HP = 119.3120 KW
170 HP = 126.7690 KW

The figure from your quote that I have put in bold has also been edited (by you?) from the original text on Wikipedia - this is because Wikipedia states the following:

"Power: MT: 170ps (118.kW) @ 7,800rpm & 16.0kgm (156.91 Nm) @ 7,300rpm (AT: 160ps (114.0 kW) @ 7,300rpm & 15.6kgm (152.98 Nm) @ 6,500rpm)"

So, according to Wikipedia, the 'B16A second generation' makes 170PS/118KW? The figures don't even match up on that BS site.

Honestly I think there are also several more variants of the 'B16A' according to different sources that make either 158HP, 160HP, 168HP or 170HP. We need to find a more reliable source...

[dougie_504]

Dougie,

That information is wrong.

Engineering point of view states that the engine swapped into the chassis can be older but it will have to meet emissions standards of the chassis year. IE; B16 must meet the emissions of the 1992 EG. Which is very easy to do, Honda motors are very clean.

If the EG was released in Australia with a B16, we could use ANY year model B16 since it is the same platform engine, regardless of 1989 or 1996 for example.

All in all;

- If the car is released with that engine in it standard, the swap is legal and does NOT need engineering.
- If the car is receiving an engine that is older than the chassis and not part of the OEM engine line up for that car, an emissions test is in order to clarify the legality of the swap.

I wasn't aware of that. I thought in VIC the engine had to be the same age/newer than the chassis. I'll look into it later on though.

This is all that VicRoads has on their site:
Change of engine
1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed.

You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre to have the vehicle's engine inspected to confirm the new engine details. No appointment is required. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form.

2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form and provide VicRoads with:

* a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
* an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine


I know that with the VASS (engineering certificate) they check all kinds of bullshit...noise pollution, emissions, ride height, suspension stiffness, brake effectiveness etc.

But if you're right that would be really nice because maybe then I could stick an older B16A into my EH9

[Chr1s]

Ring your local engineer, he should tell you its fine as long as you pass emissions.

Think R32/33/34,S13, S14 with big rb30det's in them tstusdtusutusutuuu lol

[civic_jet]

way to much letters lol