Does you euro have drift to one side tendency?

[tony1234]

New tyres getting fitted tomorrow. I had no choice on the type due to it being a warranty job. Getting a wheel alignment as well.

Does anyone think that having faulty tyres on the rear of the car, which are tracking to the right, would have some effect on the car? Even on the rear? I am asking because when you get a wheel alingment, the rear wheels are done, so I am thinking it must have some bearing on the cars tracking. Any thoughts?

I suggest after you get the 2 new tyres go to a good tyre shop and trade them in(inc the spare which should be new!)on a set of new tyres,obviously another brand.Sure it'll cost you a bit(maybe $200 i guess) but you'll have better tyres and no more bullshit drifting issues.Just my opinion.

[Woogler]

New tyres fitted. Had an alingment done too. The car is driving like a new car should finally! It is now tracking perfectly. Now on Monday I will insist they replace the spare tyre as well.

[cgspot]

Mine was drifting badly to right and of course they only replaced the front two tyres after a lot of mucking around (which did fix the problem). Then at the 10,000 service I asked that they swap the old backs onto the fronts and the drifting came back. They have given me two new fronts today (4 in all now) and I need some time to see if the drifting has gone away. Yes they are same Re040's but assure me that these tyres have a Neutral Bias whereby the old one's had a Positive Bias, (However, I can't find anything about positive, neutral or negative bias in tyres to explain it)

However, it might have a lot to do with "runout" see: http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html

[SPQR]

The standard Dunlops on the standard 16 x 6.5 rims fitted to my car were great but the car tended to wander in all directions at high speed (180km/h+ in Northern Territory before much hated 130km/h speed limit introduced). I contacted Whiteline Suspensions and, as I had done with my previous car, I sent them my original rear anti-sway bar so that they could make a stiffer bar (that they now sell it to other CL9 owners). The new bar made little difference to straight-line stabilty at high speed but it sure gave a nicer turn-in to corners! I had tried Performance Rebel 17 x 7 wheels with 45mm offset with Bridgestone RE040 tyres but the car tramlined as no car should. I thought that the problem might be caused by the 45mm offset (55mm standard). I then purchased a set of the current 10(?) spoke Euro Luxury 17 x 7 wheels. I fitted the used RE040 from the borrowed Rebel rims but the tramlining persisted. I fitted new Dunlop SportMaxx 225/45R17 tyres ($288 each). Great tyre. Tramlining reduced substantially. I don't think it is the tyres that cause the tramlining but rather how worn-out the tyres are. As far as the "positive, neutral or negative bias " goes, they must be talking about the suspension toe (positive, neutral or negative bias ). Should be neutral at front and toe-in of 2mm at rear.

[yfin]

The standard Dunlops on the standard 16 x 6.5 rims fitted to my car were great but the car tended to wander in all directions at high speed (180km/h+ in Northern Territory before much hated 130km/h speed limit introduced). I contacted Whiteline Suspensions and, as I had done with my previous car, I sent them my original rear anti-sway bar so that they could make a stiffer bar (that they now sell it to other CL9 owners). The new bar made little difference to straight-line stabilty at high speed but it sure gave a nicer turn-in to corners! I had tried Performance Rebel 17 x 7 wheels with 45mm offset with Bridgestone RE040 tyres but the car tramlined as no car should. I thought that the problem might be caused by the 45mm offset (55mm standard). I then purchased a set of the current 10(?) spoke Euro Luxury 17 x 7 wheels. I fitted the used RE040 from the borrowed Rebel rims but the tramlining persisted. I fitted new Dunlop SportMaxx 225/45R17 tyres ($288 each). Great tyre. Tramlining reduced substantially. I don't think it is the tyres that cause the tramlining but rather how worn-out the tyres are. As far as the "positive, neutral or negative bias " goes, they must be talking about the suspension toe (positive, neutral or negative bias ). Should be neutral at front and toe-in of 2mm at rear.

If you definatley want less tramlining you should try something with softer sidewalls - I also found improvement moving to a non-directional tyre (but that could be tyre specific rather than a general rule)

[LXRY]

Sorry all for not being here for a while, alot has happened to me since (moved house, No internet, plus very busy with work, stress over my car drifting etc. etc.)

I pushed Honda hard about this problem, and had a meeting with

[yfin edit *** edited name of the person you met at Honda as you have called them a not so pleasant word...]




He couldn't answer my question..........If they fixed the problem which they assured me they did ("NOT"), then what was the CAUSE ?

All he gave me was umm, this, umm, that....pfft what a loser couldn't lie if his life depended on it.

These guys at Honda are all bummies, they colaborate with each other, so they get there stories straight, yes they are one big happy family at Honda Aust & dealerships......

I can tell you that Honda are pushing sales, at what ever cost.....and RE-CALLS are a BIG NO NO.

Anyhow Leigh offered me tyres out of a good will gesture, which I accepted reluctantly, but what the heck these guys caused me grief so F*%# 'em....

Drove the car like that for a while, after being to many steering and suspension places to talk about my problems, tried some things, still no good.

They all put it down to tyres, by the way.....

I had noticed that one of the places I had took my car too had pumped my front tyres to 36 psi (hard). Someone had mentioned this in a previous post.
Wasn't as bad but still very noticable still, drove it for a while like that until I put new springs in my car (lowered, Eibachs) then was getting great big thuds on bad bumps, checked tyre pressure, found it was too much put it back to 30-32psi problem went away, but pulling to the right was back as it was before Very Very bad!!!

My steering wheel is still out after so many 1000's of attempts....my steering straightens when road cambers to the right, funny huh?

All this grief this car has caused me

If anyone is thinking of buying a euro think twice trust me not worth it

Customer satisfaction you reckon....Worst iv'e come accross.

Anyway I went to claim my new tyres only because I am going through a process of elimination, (change the tyres see what happens) you never know.
They told me that leigh had "hit it on the head" and his good will gesture flew out the door, because I had not taken it up before that my car must be running fine, so i didn't need them. What a loser !!

Well stay tuned for a new thread called "KNOW YOUR HONDA DEALER" as I will be giving detailed information on my dealership and it's staff, time to name names, Ozhonda style !!!!



If you are in Victoria please call this person as he is the one who has last word on your car.


Honda Australia District Service Manager
Southern Region

Leigh McNamara
Direct phone number 92855570
Mobile number 0419 336 183
email leighm@honda.com.au

[tony1234]

Sorry all for not being here for a while, alot has happened to me since (moved house, No internet, plus very busy with work, stress over my car drifting etc. etc.)

I pushed Honda hard about this problem, and had a meeting with

[yfin edit *** edited name of the person you met at Honda as you have called them a not so pleasant word...]

He couldn't answer my question..........If they fixed the problem which they assured me they did ("NOT"), then what was the CAUSE ?

All he gave me was umm, this, umm, that....pfft what a loser couldn't lie if his life depended on it.

These guys at Honda are all bummies, they colaborate with each other, so they get there stories straight, yes they are one big happy family at Honda Aust & dealerships......

I can tell you that Honda are pushing sales, at what ever cost.....and RE-CALLS are a BIG NO NO.

Anyhow Leigh offered me tyres out of a good will gesture, which I accepted reluctantly, but what the heck these guys caused me grief so F*%# 'em....

Drove the car like that for a while, after being to many steering and suspension places to talk about my problems, tried some things, still no good.

They all put it down to tyres, by the way.....

I had noticed that one of the places I had took my car too had pumped my front tyres to 36 psi (hard). Someone had mentioned this in a previous post.
Wasn't as bad but still very noticable still, drove it for a while like that until I put new springs in my car (lowered, Eibachs) then was getting great big thuds on bad bumps, checked tyre pressure, found it was too much put it back to 30-32psi problem went away, but pulling to the right was back as it was before Very Very bad!!!

My steering wheel is still out after so many 1000's of attempts....my steering straightens when road cambers to the right, funny huh?

All this grief this car has caused me

If anyone is thinking of buying a euro think twice trust me not worth it

Customer satisfaction you reckon....Worst iv'e come accross.

Anyway I went to claim my new tyres only because I am going through a process of elimination, (change the tyres see what happens) you never know.
They told me that leigh had "hit it on the head" and his good will gesture flew out the door, because I had not taken it up before that my car must be running fine, so i didn't need them. What a loser !!

Well stay tuned for a new thread called "KNOW YOUR HONDA DEALER" as I will be giving detailed information on my dealership and it's staff, time to name names, Ozhonda style !!!!

It's got to be those piece of shit RE040s (or they're largely to blame).Ive got the same car as you (06 man lux with 17s).The day after i bought my car i changed the RE040s for Conti sport contact 2s.15k later NO pulling/drifting at all!!!Plus i have aftermarket rims(17s)lowered,Bilstein/Eibach shocks/springs and i'm running 40psi in the tyres.Ride those pricks hard,get a set of new tyres(RE040s i'll bet they'll give you)as soon as you get them fitted go to a tyer place that sells decent tyres and trade them in for something else(Dunlop Sport Maxx i hear are good)and i'll bet your problems will be over!Let us know how you go!

[yfin]

Well stay tuned for a new thread called "KNOW YOUR HONDA DEALER" as I will be giving detailed information on my dealership and it's staff, time to name names, Ozhonda style !!!!

Nah you can't do that if you want to "name and shame" as we can't have any potentially defamatory comments on this site.

This gives you no comfort but I just rotated my tyres last week at 45,000kms and now I am getting a drift to the right (never had that before - had some drift to the left previously but never to the right). Tyres are 15,000kms old. Of perhaps some interest - the tyres I have are non-directional so I did a diaganol switch rather than front to back like you would do with the OEM tyres. I wonder whether the left to right has highlighted differences in tread wear between the two sides (differences not visible from what I can see).

I am putting it down to tyre wear and wheel alignment at this stage as it has been a good 15,000kms since an alignment. Running aftermarket rims with Dunlop 3000A tyres. Not doing anything at this stage to rectify as I will need an alignment after I fit an Ingalls camber kit anyway. I also think if I run the tyres down in the new configuration it may correct itself.

[SPQR]

32 pages in this thread so far. Sounds like a real and serious problem that Honda is ignoring.

Car manufacturers/importers divide and conquer like any other business focused on the bottom line: By continually denying the existence of a problem and, where individual owners make something of it, they blame something else, like the tyres.

Curious that Honda continues to fit Bridgestone RE040's to the Luxury. If the problem is the tyres, then they wouldn't be fitting the same tyre OE. Therefore, the problem is more likely to be suspension design. That means Honda would have to fix it. Good enough reason to deny that there is a problem. Imagine the cost of a recall.

Companies, like governments, also use the privacy laws to stifle debate. By dividing people so that they don't know that others are experiencing the same situation, they have better control.

They did not count on the Internet providing discussion fora. Although anyone following the proposed web content laws would see that the Australian Government, to appease big business and their own government ends, are attempting to censor the internet.

If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Everyone should read George Orwell's book "1984". It's where we get our "Orwellian" expressions from; like "Big Brother is watching."

[aaronng]

I suspect that a stock brand new Euro has -1 or -2mm toe in on the right wheel just to get the car to drive straight. When you do an alignment, the tyre shop puts it back to 0mm and you end up with pulling to the right.

BTW, I just did an alignment, and my car pulled to the right, with the steering wheel pointing to the left to keep the car going straight (I have 16" stock Dunlops). Putting in -0.3mm almost solved all the pulling to the right, but the steering wheel still points slightly to the left.

[avid]

I wonder if 32 pages is close to a record number of posts on the OzHonda site for one particular problem. Mabye one of the mods can let us know.
Another course of action about this issue might be for us to tell Honda Australia that we intend to try and get the story into the media.They might not give a "fig",but then again, it aint going to help sales is it.

[yfin]

Another course of action about this issue might be for us to tell Honda Australia that we intend to try and get the story into the media.They might not give a "fig",but then again, it aint going to help sales is it.

I wouldn't be interested in going to the media- to be honest with you it doesn't really bother me that much. I watch the road - not where I am holding the steering wheel.

If someone is really peeved about this I would recommend you find a shop that is prepared to test different alignment settings outside the Honda specs. eg - why not try the TSX alignment settings? - very few of them complain about any pulling or drifting. I would also be surprised if a place like Whiteline couldn't solve this.