Civic Type R is coming!

**Perry** · 06-03-2007 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

looking at all these pics of the CTR im still not feeling it. Although white would be the sure winner for this car. Perhaps seeing one in real life might change my opinions but from the pics doesnt look all that great and i feel most people will be dissapointed.

no recaros either? means theres nothing to steal then lol

ill put a list of mods for it straight away

Bucket seat
good set of coilovers
oil cooler
wheels lol

like Fly said got to wait till the real thing appears

**vupham** · 06-03-2007 11:33 PM

Is it me or most people in here are over reacting with the term VTEC in honda's engine? Im not any kind of engineer or mechanic but isnt vtec just a method honda uses to maximise fuel economy by switching into different valves at certain rpm to produce max power, while at lower rpm uses different valves to keep good fuel economy and maybe safer emmisions?

Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!

**aaronng** · 06-03-2007 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by vupham

Is it me or most people in here are over reacting with the term VTEC in honda's engine? Im not any kind of engineer or mechanic but isnt vtec just a method honda uses to maximise fuel economy by switching into different valves at certain rpm to produce max power, while at lower rpm uses different valves to keep good fuel economy and maybe safer emmisions?

Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!

VTEC just allows you to use lumpy cams at high RPM and mild cams at low RPM to maintain drivability and get decent fuel consumption. Without VTEC, Honda wouldn't dare put in lumpy cams and have an engine that had a 2000rpm idle and decent pull to move the car from a standstill only at 3000rpm and above.

**tune2look** · 07-03-2007 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by vupham

Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!

In my opinion, I think you are under-rating VTEC.
When driven at circuits, I think post vtec range is most you will be using.
AND,
"Honda claims the Type-R sprints from zero to 100km/h in 6.6 seconds. "
although it clearly states its honda's claim, but its also clear that its VTEC that brings this kinda result.
To me, it is a very very impressive result from an NA 2 litre engine, especially from a todays heavier civics! (s15 claims similar result, thats with a turbo)

"No smoke without fire."
When you see this much VTEC addicts, they have their reasons.

**aaronng** · 07-03-2007 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by tune2look

I
"Honda claims the Type-R sprints from zero to 100km/h in 6.6 seconds. "
although it clearly states its honda's claim, but its also clear that its VTEC that brings this kinda result.

You can do the same without VTEC. Just that the car will be almost undrivable at low RPM and fuel consumption will be bad.

**UNLS1** · 07-03-2007 09:07 AM

lol lots of honda people think vtec is the greatest ever! its far from it, its good but if u want real power im sorry u have to go forced induction or a V8!

thats when u see the lil vtec cars in the rear view mirror!

**Spicey** · 07-03-2007 09:27 AM

Its not designed to be the next big thing in engine power! its designed to be efficient and smooth in lower revs and more power/torque in higher revs!

Variable Valve Timing isn't put into vehicles for pure power reasons! it lowers emissions and improves driveability also!

**Chronos** · 07-03-2007 09:45 AM

I've been holding off buying a new car for this? I can't believe this is all Honda can do with all their engineers and designers. All that money and time they poured into this project, and thats the best they can do? For 40K, they needed to produce something fantastic. Something like the Integra Type-R or the Euro; not some cheap looking toy.

All i can say is that it better drive like its on ****ing rails, or else Honda will lose another fanatic supporter to Volkswagen...

**aaronng** · 07-03-2007 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Chronos

I've been holding off buying a new car for this? I can't believe this is all Honda can do with all their engineers and designers. All that money and time they poured into this project, and thats the best they can do? For 40K, they needed to produce something fantastic. Something like the Integra Type-R or the Euro; not some cheap looking toy.

All i can say is that it better drive like its on ****ing rails, or else Honda will lose another fanatic supporter to Volkswagen...

This CTR was designed by Honda UK. Not Honda Japan.

What are you after? If you are after a coupe or a 4 door, then this CTR shouldn't even be in the list of cars that you are considering. To me, this CTR > GTI. Of course, I'd be happiest with the JDM 4 door CTR.

**Hullabaloo** · 07-03-2007 02:00 PM

I'm also interested in what the 0-100 time will be when people test the car. what are the CTR figures again? 148kw, 1301kg (according to the info NightRyder got) 0-100 in 6.6 seconds?

DC2R (141kw, 1087kg), AUS DC5R (147kw, 1160kg), and AUs DC5S (154kw, 1230kg) all get low 7's that i've seen in magazines such as motor, wheels, speed, etc.

I'm no racing expert, but would have though (like Yfin) bigger wheels and gear ratios can only do so much. Vtec engagement at 5k rpm instead of 5.7k?

When we got our DC5R people complained cos it had the K20A2 instead of K20A and no brembos. When we got the DC5S people said it was worse because it didn't have an LSD.

Does the new civic have a K20A or a K20Z? How about an LSD and brembos?

Don't get me wrong. I think it looks like a great car and getting any type of Civic R is better than none. I really like the interior and exterior and I'm sure it'll drive fantastically as well.