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							I personally think the car will be a $39,990 + ORC. Dealer's have already recieved allocations and the price will be released shortly. I have already placed my order for a black one and a set of CE28N's in 19" are already on their way. Now i am just looking for a set if coilover's in which i will investigate when i am in Japan. Let's hope the UK Suspension set up is no different to the Jap cars..
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Tofu
					 
				 
				that list doesn't show vehicle "quality" 
it talks about reliability... 
 
mazda still use shit plastics. 
			
		 
	 
 cant agree more... and their engine is not that "reliable", this according to a friend working @ NRMA insurance... ^_^ There more Mazda driver call in for road assistance (battery fault, etc) rather than Honda (thats why I pick civic rather than Maz3 before)
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							Their top ranked individual vehicle is the Honda Accord. 
 
EDIT: Also my in laws bought the very base model 2007 Mazda 3 (neo, with power upgrade only) hatch. I thought it felt great to drive, even with just a 4AT. Engine very responsive, pulled well with 4 adults in the car.  Noise levels are minimal, in fact less rattle (NONE!) than in my Accord Euro.  
 
My Euro has been plagued with it from day 1, with multiple day services required to get the worst of them out. Look at the  Accord forum, I'm hardly the only one. Might have been that mine is a "lemon" in terms of rattle, and theirs is a "gem", but... also going to get my left headlight replaced on next week's 20k service due to condensation issue. 
 
I'd rather have something simple or not as pretty that just works 100% than something fancy that gives me tonnes of trouble.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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							Lets face it, yeah some of the mazda plastics arent the best but some honda's feel plasticky too.  My mazda 6 felt great inside.  Every manufacturer is going to have imperfections.  The build process includes tolerances and while cars have very acute tolerances these days there will still always be 'duds'..  Most cars around these days are pretty good, even hyundai have some nice cars and are very reliable..  Comes down to choosing what you like the drive of and what suits the requirements and budget confinements..
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							mazda is no way to compare with any Honda 
drove a Mazda sp23 and it is like a pos.. crappy interior, quality and gearbox. 
  
btw... this CTR looks UGLY.... where is the Jap spec CTR =(
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  TypeG
					 
				 
				mazda is no way to compare with any Honda 
drove a Mazda sp23 and it is like a pos.. crappy interior, quality and gearbox. 
  
btw... this CTR looks UGLY.... where is the Jap spec CTR =( 
			
		 
	 
 Again personal opinion.  Im sure many people driving sp23's have driven the civic and say the same thing of honda.  Whatever floats your boat as they say.  Too many people will buy a Civic and justify it to themselves by bagging mazda3, focus etc and im sure there are buyers who dont like many aspects of the civic also.  I see no issue with quality from mazda, they are no merc/bmw/vw but then i dont believe honda are either.  The interior isnt too bad in my opinion, comfy and roomy, i never had a single quality issue with my mazda 6 and the gearbox might not be as light and nice to slick between gears as many honda's but its still easy to use, non baulky and doesnt grind or jump out of gear.. not too bad.  Plus the 2.3litre motor is great, very torquey and much better suited (again in MY opinion) to a relatively large family car (compared to civics of old) especially if they are automatic... 
 
Again these are just my expressed views and many may disagree but i think to say mazda is crap isn't a very educated view..
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  crx51
					 
				 
				...to say mazda is crap isn't a very educated view.. 
			
		 
	 
 There's no car that is crap... if you a car-lover then you will love whatever you drive (even if its a mr bean's mini cooper... He loves it soooo much  )
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  0138
					 
				 
				I personally think the car will be a $39,990 + ORC. Dealer's have already recieved allocations and the price will be released shortly. I have already placed my order for a black one and a set of CE28N's in 19" are already on their way. Now i am just looking for a set if coilover's in which i will investigate when i am in Japan. Let's hope the UK Suspension set up is no different to the Jap cars.. 
			
		 
	 
 nice wheels, are you going to get them in black? i think im just painting my original rim gold, i also ordered a black ctr
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  denot
					 
				 
				There's no car that is crap... if you a car-lover then you will love whatever you drive (even if its a mr bean's mini cooper... He loves it soooo much   )  
			
		 
	 
 I think Mr. Bean drives a Morris Minor.   
But yeah, put someone who loves the Mazda6 into the Euro, and they will complain about it.  
 
BTW, my Euro is the one with the worst rattles.  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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							I think Mazda is going downhill in quality. some of their early-mid 90s cars were pretty good cars for the time, like I find an old 626 has a better interior than an old Accord. But the newer Mazdas are just awful. I mean the interiors are some of the cheapest and worst looking Ive ever seen.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  aaronng
					 
				 
				I think Mr. Bean drives a Morris Minor.   
But yeah, put someone who loves the Mazda6 into the Euro, and they will complain about it. 
  
BTW, my Euro is the one with the worst rattles.    
			
		 
	 
 Yeah! When it starts to sound like a WRX, something is seriously wrong with your car Aaron haha!  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
		        		
	
		
			
			
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					  Originally Posted by  0138
					 
				 
				I personally think the car will be a $39,990 + ORC. Dealer's have already recieved allocations and the price will be released shortly. I have already placed my order for a black one and a set of CE28N's in 19" are already on their way. Now i am just looking for a set if coilover's in which i will investigate when i am in Japan. Let's hope the UK Suspension set up is no different to the Jap cars.. 
			
		 
	 
   
What happened to the days when 17"s were hectic..........respect must be paid to the wise Tempe team - much foresight they had.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
		 
		
		
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			
				 
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