[Euro] Hondata Update

[aaronng]

In my opinion, the base flash won't change your fuel consumption much. But the full blown 150kW one will increase fuel consumption.

[tony1234]

In my opinion, the base flash won't change your fuel consumption much. But the full blown 150kW one will increase fuel consumption.

Fuel consumption should increase only if you use the available power.Normal driving should yield the same or better than stock figures because the engine is more efficient with the mods.

[aaronng]

the extent of mods as far as engine mods go, personally I would probably put a CAI and leave the internals, ECU and everything else as is. Not even headers or a full catback. For the amount of money you pay for mods on a euro, its not as much bang for buck as you would get with a force inducted car....

Hehe, all your power gains were negated by your heavy mods. Power and VIP doesn't go together, that's the problem.

[stephen8512]

That is why most of us stick with N/A rather than go forced induction. There is almost no risk of a blown headgasket on the track.

true,
but what i guess im trying to say is, unless its the euro R, our normal euro's dont see that much benefit compared to the amt of money put in for mods from putting in track worthy mods as compared to other N/A examples, such as type Rs and lotus elise/exige, etc. Even the euro R i dont think is that great a track worthy car....
but each to their own...

[stephen8512]

Hehe, all your power gains were negated by your heavy mods. Power and VIP doesn't go together, that's the problem.

lol power and vip are MEANT to go to together. Q45's, Celsiors, LS430's are all V8's

[aaronng]

Fuel consumption should increase only if you use the available power.Normal driving should yield the same or better than stock figures because the engine is more efficient with the mods.

Stage 4 advances the ignition timing as much as possible as well as maximise the cam advance angle. Those 2 will need more fuel than normal (not a whole lot, just a bit more) to prevent any detonation, especially when at low RPM high load.

[aaronng]

true,
but what i guess im trying to say is, unless its the euro R, our normal euro's dont see that much benefit compared to the amt of money put in for mods from putting in track worthy mods as compared to other N/A examples, such as type Rs and lotus elise/exige, etc. Even the euro R i dont think is that great a track worthy car....
but each to their own...

The Euro's engine to start with is not a high revving one and above 5000rpm, is starving for air. Forced induction will help it a lot. But yeah, the base NA engine does not leave a lot to work with.

BTW, with coils, the Euro is a fast car. Of course, it has to be set up properly. Being in Melb now, I've noticed that every lowered Euro has the front wheel jack point lower than the rear wheel jack point (both at teh side skirt), thus they are lowered for looks, not handling. All I can say is that corner balancing and coils are the best mods that I have done on my car.

As for Elise/Exige, you are paying for coilovers, racing tyres, racing brakes, weight reduction and chassis stiffening straight from the factory.

[aaronng]

lol power and vip are MEANT to go to together. Q45's, Celsiors, LS430's are all V8's

That makes the Euro a mini-VIP, since its engine is below 3L capacity.

[adammet04]

im still going for ecu reflash...

[ZYL11A]

I was looking at going for the reflash as well but I dont think I will after having to wait so long. Im also look at upgrading my Euro to a new one so that is also a big factor of not getting it done.

Does anyone know when the new one will be released?? Im thinking next year right?? Cause by then, the current shape will have been out for 5 years

[TypeG]

true,
but what i guess im trying to say is, unless its the euro R, our normal euro's dont see that much benefit compared to the amt of money put in for mods from putting in track worthy mods as compared to other N/A examples, such as type Rs and lotus elise/exige, etc. Even the euro R i dont think is that great a track worthy car....
but each to their own...

man what are u on.... Euro R is a TypeR itself and is a very good track car. see the Phase EUro R, it is amazing. nice coilover, strut, tyres, light weight rims and brake on any TypeR will be a very good track car. dont find an excuse on going VIP
JDM yo lol

[stephen8512]

man what are u on.... Euro R is a TypeR itself and is a very good track car. see the Phase EUro R, it is amazing. nice coilover, strut, tyres, light weight rims and brake on any TypeR will be a very good track car. dont find an excuse on going VIP
JDM yo lol

true,
but what i guess im trying to say is, unless its the euro R, our normal euro's dont see that much benefit compared to the amt of money put in for mods from putting in track worthy mods as compared to other N/A examples, such as type Rs and lotus elise/exige, etc. Even the euro R i dont think is that great a track worthy car....
but each to their own...

what are YOU on?
i said "UNLESS ITS THE EURO R" which means i excluded the euro R from my examples....i was talking about OUR CL9's. learn to read

and no doubt, phase euro R is very nice. Never said it wasn't...but ur talkin about a full race/track bred car here. u can say that with ANY race car. Sunline Auto R34 GTR, RE amemiya RX7, Spoon S2K, etc etc. They are all amazing examples of their class.

and it never was an "excuse" to go VIP anyway. All i said was if ur gonna mod the euro (not just engine mods, but mods in general), IMO doing rims, bodykit and lowering would be sufficient...but again each to their own. ur totally missing the point here. i was arguing that money paid for mods on OUR EURO CL9 (not CL7 euro R) isnt really bang for buck on the K24A3 so i dont see the point in even spending another 5K or so for the full stage 4 hondata reflash or watever it is.

Even ask DRIVEN (ozhonda trader). he built his CL9 for track and he even bought 3K worth of AP racing brakes and rotors, had cusco zeal coilovers, spoon shortshifter, CE28Ns, swift front and rear sway bars, maxim headers, 5zigen single out exhaust, as well as other stuff. And even HE thinks that money for mods to make the euro a TRACK CAR isnt worth it. And if you know anything, then you would know that the mods i just stated are very good quality mods so if you pay THAT MUCH MONEY with focus on ur car being a TRACK car and even after all that, its not worth it, then getting a reflash and paying that much for the full stage 4 hondata cant be worth it either (in terms of money paid for gains given)

and since ur so focused on "jdm" i guess ur not gonna get the reflash anyway even if it does come out....
im not for JDM, im not against JDM. I do my car as how I see fit. Sure, sometimes JDM is nice and with my RX7 i plan to do it up with full JDM mods cuz even though its JDM, its how IIII want to do it up. With the euro however, I felt like we got cheated here in australia for thm not to bring out the euro R. So the CL9 in my eyes was more of a cruiser than a JDM type vehicle, which is why I went for looks and a lil bit of power to go with it. But having said that, that "little bit of power" for the price i paid for my mods definately wasn't worth it in my books and personaly I wouldnt do it again. not on the euro anyway. (CL9, not 7...in case u thought i was talkin about the euro R again)