4-2-1 headers, what brand is good at reasonable price??

[didz]

so does anyone know how buddyclub header compares to the toda one on a dc5r?

[TODA AU]

I dont want to spend a large amount of money on the header as i dont have any proof of which brands are better and how much they are better (on a dc5R). Yes its obvious that some are better than others but for this reason i cant justify spending 1500-2000 on a toda or spoon setup vs 700-1200 on 5 zigen or something else. I currently have a genuine mugen twinloop muffler only and that is the only mod i have on my dc5r.

If you can't justify the expense of header that work,
You better off not buying a header at all.

[TODA AU]

so does anyone know how buddyclub header compares to the toda one on a dc5r?

See above post.

[kazam]

for gains in low revs 2000-5000. 4-2-1 headers are the best right? D16Y1 btw.

[didz]

If you can't justify the expense of header that work,
You better off not buying a header at all.

as i said, i cant justify it because No-One has made an objective comparison. everyone just says "toda is best" or "dont bother about toda because x-force is good" What i am asking for is the comparisons between 2 "high end" brands ie: toda and spoon, and the "low end" brands ie:x-force - 5 zigen.
the dyno sheets u provided earlier (link to another forum) were a good comparison however from my understanding it was only for a dc2R. I am looking for a set for a dc5r which is justifiable against the cost. If a $600 header will do the same job as a $1800 header then it would just come down to branding.

Could you please answer my previous question as well Toda?

"you say x-force for dc5 is crap.. what about the dc5R??
there is a lot of recommendations for dc2's and d series engines.. not a lot for k series that i can see on this thread."

[didz]

You get what you pay for as simple as that.
There is no way a cheap header will do the same job as expensive header.
Research and development cost is not cheap now days.

Ive seen X force header for dc5R , pretty rough quality , some of the bends looks pretty bad too.

I understand that. i am just asking if anyone has real experience between using both on a dc5R. I am also asking for a "decent" set for a dc5R. let me clarify, I am not a full on track racer, i like cruising on the street. that being said i still want good power gains from the mods i buy.
I dont think i want to buy xforce anyway because people say they sound different and others say they arent good at all. I understand getting what u pay for. but there is always a limit where it just gets to the point where u have to spend ridiculous amounts of money to get to certain point.

eg: fwd NA car moving from a high 12's to a 10 sec (assuming it is a 14-15 sec stock). the amount of money you need to spend is phenominal in comparison to getting it to high 12's from 14-15.

So does anyone have a comparison between buddyclub and toda?

[EG5]

as i said, i cant justify it because No-One has made an objective comparison. everyone just says "toda is best" or "dont bother about toda because x-force is good" What i am asking for is the comparisons between 2 "high end" brands ie: toda and spoon, and the "low end" brands ie:x-force - 5 zigen.
the dyno sheets u provided earlier (link to another forum) were a good comparison however from my understanding it was only for a dc2R. I am looking for a set for a dc5r which is justifiable against the cost. If a $600 header will do the same job as a $1800 header then it would just come down to branding.

Could you please answer my previous question as well Toda?

"you say x-force for dc5 is crap.. what about the dc5R??
there is a lot of recommendations for dc2's and d series engines.. not a lot for k series that i can see on this thread."

You get what you pay for as simple as that.
There is no way a cheap header will do the same job as expensive header.
Research and development cost is not cheap now days.

Ive seen X force header for dc5R , pretty rough quality , some of the bends looks pretty bad too.

[TODA AU]

"you say x-force for dc5 is crap.. what about the dc5R??
there is a lot of recommendations for dc2's and d series engines.. not a lot for k series that i can see on this thread."

If you have a DC5 base model, you may see a gain on the dyno, but you won't feel it driving the car.
With a DC5 Type R, you will go backwards.
That's it in a nutshell.

Seriously, if you want cheap, use a std JDM DC5-R header.
99% of the cheap headers out there aren't as good as the JDM OEM.

Sorry it's not what you want to hear, but it's true.

[locote]

Will the DC5r header fit into the new civicR???
Im gona go check it out next weekend at motor show if it impreses me i might consider buying one, just thought id ask if the header will fit..

[didz]

If you have a DC5 base model, you may see a gain on the dyno, but you won't feel it driving the car.
With a DC5 Type R, you will go backwards.
That's it in a nutshell.

Seriously, if you want cheap, use a std JDM DC5-R header.
99% of the cheap headers out there aren't as good as the JDM OEM.

Sorry it's not what you want to hear, but it's true.

I think you may have misunderstood me.
I am not asking for the cheap stuff. i am asking someone to help me justify spending a much larger amount of money. i am asking someone to help me justify it by telling me of personal experience where the person has had both cheap/middle and high end or if they have dyno charts of the various headers (low end, middle and top).

[xtercii]

honestly you won't get a very accurate answer by keep on asking other ppl, the best way is to do your own research and just go buy the one u think it's right for you, test it out and experience it for yourself then you will know exactly if it's good or not. If you don't like it and have the fund, sell it and try another set up, unfortunetely playing with cars is not cheap...

[Luke Accord]

Has anyone got the smsp headers or know anyone that has them?
Cheers.