Another 130kw DC5 Tuned in Syd on the weekend

[pornstar]

no i cant, cos i have never used it. Thats why i dont say anything is the best either, cos i havent used the lot.

[LatinoHatchCrap]

I agree with pornstar. Commenting on parts you dont use and just read about its only adding insult to ignorance.
I rock hondata and I've had no problems with it and I love the results Im getting. Hondata

[pornstar]

I should clarify at this stage. I am NOT saying hondata is not good. I am not saying Motec or Autronic is best. Im not saying anything is best. Im merely pointing to the fact that for you to say something is best, you would need to do more than just read about it. Trying one product that works does not mean its the best out there, its a product that works, and can work well. For you to say its the best, Id imagine u could at least technically explain what advantages there are.

As for value for money, price for power, etc etc, makes it the best choice for a situation but no the best overall. Just correcting and learning myself to be honest.

[spite]

Does Motec and Autronic have support for iVtec? As far as I know these products support the more traditional forms for VTEC from the B and H series motors.

The Ecutek product for WRX's are very similar to the Hondata units and have the same benefits.

I would happily try a Autronic or Motec if it had the feature set (That covered all of what the standard ECU does) and what I NEED. Need is the operative word.

Given the inputs, Hondata gives the best outputs.

[pornstar]

spite, if u didnt know what the autronic and motec could and couldnt do in regard to the iVTEC it would be fair to say then that ur statement about hondata being the best is an unfounded statement?

can hondata allow vtec to engage when ur at 1k rpms? can it allow u to never engage rpm based and only be engage throttle based? can it allow u to retune for ignition points at 5491 rpms at 57.12 load? can it allow u to tune the ignition at say 5492 if say u found that the car needed 1 more degree of advanced at that particular site? can it turn ur air cond or radiator fans of at say a set of parameters when the engine sees say 87degrees of coolant temp where the cars rpm is at 7k rpms in say 4th gear?

i think before u can satisfactorily call something the best outright ud need to explain it abit better. if ur saying its the best for a price range, then maybe u should say that, or if ur saying its the best because its the easiest to install then perhaps u could say that. but saying something is the best full stop really makes it sound like ur saying its the best outright in every aspect or regard. Im not saying that its not, but id like to hear what gives u the belief that it is the best?

[Tofu]

i think what Spite is saying is that it's the best for "his situation"

all those things/features pornstar have mentioned have no relavence to the general car enthusiest...

[neostars]

spite, if u didnt know what the autronic and motec could and couldnt do in regard to the iVTEC it would be fair to say then that ur statement about hondata being the best is an unfounded statement?

can hondata allow vtec to engage when ur at 1k rpms? can it allow u to never engage rpm based and only be engage throttle based? can it allow u to retune for ignition points at 5491 rpms at 57.12 load? can it allow u to tune the ignition at say 5492 if say u found that the car needed 1 more degree of advanced at that particular site? can it turn ur air cond or radiator fans of at say a set of parameters when the engine sees say 87degrees of coolant temp where the cars rpm is at 7k rpms in say 4th gear?

i think before u can satisfactorily call something the best outright ud need to explain it abit better. if ur saying its the best for a price range, then maybe u should say that, or if ur saying its the best because its the easiest to install then perhaps u could say that. but saying something is the best full stop really makes it sound like ur saying its the best outright in every aspect or regard. Im not saying that its not, but id like to hear what gives u the belief that it is the best?

Sorry mate, but k-pro is currently the best solution available for DC5R.
James has dyno figure and user feedback to back it up.
User in USA and Australia.
There are currently 3 ecus that I compare before I got K-pro.
K-pro > mugen ecu, VAFC 2.
So until someone come up wit something better, there no more case for arguement and am happy for James to boast about his product.

cheers

[BlackR]

im pretty sure you can get the VTEC change over to happen at 1000rpm with the K-PRO. But what the hell would the point be on having VTEC with lift if the lift stage kicks in at idle. The are alot more things to consider than VTEC change over and A/F ratios. Im pretty sure that the K-PRO has the ability to change the angles of the cams which alot more ECU's out therecannot achieve and thats where most of the gains come from. Thats why we were all waiting for this product and thats why a number of ECU's have been changing lately because they couldn't do this sort of thing before.

[wynode]

"change the agnles of the cams"

Could you please elborate?

[spite]

pornstar I am aware of all of the features you have listed however I am NOT aware that those ECU's can cater for iVtec.

I think this sorts it ....



... and there is more to gain, a bit more tuning on the AFR is required.

I think what also needs to be taken into account is that James is willing to back his product and his customers. Its hard to find reasonable tuners for the more exotic ECU's and ones where you need not spend $5000 tuning every RPM on a dyno.

This is a daily driven car that is tracked on the odd occasion, it's required to be running 99% of the time. Hondata gives that to me.

[pornstar]

Ok chill out ppls, I wasnt having a swipe at anyone. In fact Im friends with james in person. I just dont believe in people saying something is all that and more when there is no proof or proper comparison, ie baseless claims. So before I continue, if your offended, dont, that goes to anyone, I like to question things cos I dont like getting told what is and what isnt without physical proof/basis.

Now I'll try and respond in orderly fashion:
Tofu: I agree that if spite had said that the hondata was the best for his situation, then none of what is being said is relevant as only he can decide that. BUT if you read his comments, its more along the lines of its the best on the market. That I cant agree with without some basis. As for the things I listed as having no relevance, I'm not sure, but in my car, when I open wide open throttle at 3.5k rpms, my vtec activates, ie engages the secondary cams etc. The ecu knows that the car is no longer restricted by the throttle body, and thus allows the engine to consume (by using the more aggressive cam) more air at 3.5k rpms than normally possible without vtec cam profiles being engaged. As for its relevance, I dont see how driveability and power gains are not relevant Tofu in this instance.

Neostars: Like I have said, you compared that hondata to a mugen ecu that is a pretuned chip, and a vafc which is hardly something Id call an ecu. So as far as something coming up and better, have you used a motec? have you used any other full standalone ecu? cos what your comparing there is hardly apples to apples. that would be like say comparing a greddy e-manage to a motec...if u think thats fair well...Again based on 3 ecus that you have trialed, u have called something the best, maybe the best out of the 3 that you have used, then Id agree, but as for the best period...I dont know. As for checking what the feedback of the US people think, ask them a comparison of higher end ecu's and see what they say, i think you will find that their stand is that as a cost effective solution hondata is the better ecu in its price range...But I wont base my argument on what a us forum says nevertheless.

BlackR: as for cam angle changing, you would need to elaborate, cos I dont follow there. If it could do that, well Im not sure what to say... Please fill me in on how it does this, Im only too happy to learn more.

Also your right theres more to consider, well consider this, what revolution does the K series engine feel vibrational resonance most? What does this do to the engine? how can the engine/ecu calibration be configured to overcome this? in what way? That would be a good start for u to consider.

Spite: thats a nice graph want to see my graph? I made 500kws at the wheels, simply by adjusting a few things on the dyno (yes i know it is in shootout mode, but even that varies or can be made to vary).
Moving away from the sarcasm, consider this, what makes the power? The power is made by tuning, not the ecu. the Ecu is a means to an end, and I think that is where people are losing the sight of the big picture.


I agree with you fully about the fact that James stands by his product and his customers. Thats a good point to include in the decision of the ECU, but it does not make the ecu the best. As for tuning every rpm on the dyno on exotic ecus, I agree. But good ecus interpolate between the rpm and load points. Every ecu does this, no ecu in the world works on cell by cell for every single point.

I think your final statement about your car being daily driven and what u required sums up my whole point. That from your experience or from what you know about k pro and other ecus can say without question that the K pro is the best. The hondata gives u what u require and is good for ur circumstance, but what my point has and always was, is that the statement that "hondata is the best" is questionable.

Again, please dont feel like im ribbing ya or giving anyone crap. Im merely trying to educate myself and honda enthusiests with more knowledge, and to best do this, you gotta continually ask questions to learn more, facts and statements especially those affiliated with things are the things that I have learnt to question, they lead you to better informed choices, and better knowledge of what you are receiving.

Hope your not taking it personal. Feel free to inform me of something that you know that backs your statement, as I said Im not saying hondata isnt the best, jsut two things.
1) how can you say it is the best if you have not tried everything else or cant tell me what it is in the hondata that makes it better than the rest?

2) And that it might be the best as you say, if it is, what is it that does this?

Cheers

[genesis]