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[barefootbonzai]

Yeah, its got no tacho, but it didnt take long for me to realise how usless a tacho really is. Your manual tells you what the maximum safe speeds are for each gear. It i was driving to redline id shift at 50 in 1st, 90 in second and 135 or so in 3rd, no difference in looking at a tacho, and looking at your speedo. These days i barly look down at it as you learn by the engine note, somthing that i believe happens quicker without having a tacho. Last thing you wanna be doing when you pushing to redline is looking down at a tacho/speedo.

You seem to be a kind of guy that really analyzes things to the extremes. But this statement of yours is just plan silly. There is no way you could drive a car to it's potential without a tacho or shift light of some sort. Looking at your speed will not be accurate enough for you to know when to shift.

Then engine note? come on...

[Muzz]

You seem to be a kind of guy that really analyzes things to the extremes. But this statement of yours is just plan silly. There is no way you could drive a car to it's potential without a tacho or shift light of some sort. Looking at your speed will not be accurate enough for you to know when to shift.

Then engine note? come on...

I dont really see much of a difference between looking at the speedo and shifting at 50kmh/90kmh, and looking at a tacho and shifting at 7000rpm, yes its going to be silghtly less accurate because of the smaller sweep, but if your watching your tacho to shift exactly on 7000rpm your not paying enough attention to the road IMO.

Yes, thats right the engine note (i suppose road speed also plays a part in helping your sences feel where to shift).

Are you telling me you cant drive your car, and shift pretty much right on the redline without looking down at your tacho???
Im sure you can, as can i and most others who enjoy driving, by listening to the engine......

All im trying to say, is even though all these features are wonderful and make life a little easier, they really dont impact much at all on the driving experiance, so dont feel bad if you cant get em...

Please let me know specifically what you find silly and over analysed by my opionions on living without a tacho.

Yeah, its got no tacho, but it didnt take long for me to realise how usless a tacho really is. Your manual tells you what the maximum safe speeds are for each gear. It i was driving to redline id shift at 50 in 1st, 90 in second and 135 or so in 3rd, no difference in looking at a tacho, and looking at your speedo. These days i barly look down at it as you seem to learn when to shift by the engine note, somthing that i believe happens quicker without having a tacho. Last thing you wanna be doing when you pushing to redline is looking down at a tacho/speedo.

You seem to be a kind of guy that really analyzes things to the extremes.

If i was analysing to the extream, i woulnt of said

no difference in looking at a tacho, and looking at your speedo.

I would of made some of the points youve brought up, and said somthing more along the lines of

While the accuracy is slighlty less when comparing the speedometer to the tachometer due to the smaller sweep, it really isnt any harder at all to watch the speedo compared to the tacho.

So yeah let me know by pm what you find silly or analised to the extream ok.
I think youve been over analysing my opinion.....

[barefootbonzai]

I dont really see much of a difference between looking at the speedo and shifting at 50kmh/90kmh, and looking at a tacho and shifting at 7000rpm, yes its going to be silghtly less accurate because of the smaller sweep, but if your watching your tacho to shift exactly on 7000rpm your not paying enough attention to the road IMO.

Yes, thats right the engine note (i suppose road speed also plays a part in helping your sences feel where to shift).

Are you telling me you cant drive your car, and shift pretty much right on the redline without looking down at your tacho???
Im sure you can, as can i and most others who enjoy driving, by listening to the engine......

Obviously you don't race your car. Have you ever taken it down the 1/4 or done circuit racing? Even quick squirts at the lights? There is no way i could get the times i'm getting without a tacho/shiftlift light, there is a reason y in a lot of race cars there is only the tacho and no speedo, it's the most important part when it comes to racing. Especially down the 1/4 where every bit counts, there's no way you can just use the speedo, you won't be able to fully untilise your max rev range with out hitting the rev limiter, or shifting to early and slowing you down.

If you guys are taking about just driving daily like a bitch, that's another story.

[Muzz]

Obviously you don't race your car. Have you ever taken it down the 1/4 or done circuit racing? Even quick squirts at the lights? There is no way i could get the times i'm getting without a tacho/shiftlift light, there is a reason y in a lot of race cars there is only the tacho and no speedo, it's the most important part when it comes to racing. Especially down the 1/4 where every bit counts, there's no way you can just use the speedo, you won't be able to fully untilise your max rev range with out hitting the rev limiter, or shifting to early and slowing you down.

If you guys are taking about just driving daily like a bitch, that's another story.

Dude relax, wheres this attitude coming from all of a sudden? While no, i havnt done quarter mile runs. I run to redline on a daily basis, is not being down the quarter like you gunna be a dissadvantage reguarding what what were talking about?
Both my brother and father have been involved in motorsport, and i was taught to listen to the engine, and how practicing this will allow you to push to the limits without looking down in the heat of the battle. If you feel youd be hitting the limiter or shifting to early without watching your tacho, then your to reliant on it to begin with. Simple....

I spent about a month with a tacho in my car about half a year ago, having the tacho didnt get me any closer to redline than without, my ears were telling me the exact same thing the tacho was: the engines at its redline.

During that time, just before i removed it, i checked it against the speedo, and guess what, exactly as the manual states redline in 1st occours at 50km/h, redline at second occours exactly at 90km/h. Apart from the smaller sweep range, please inform me why the cars oem tacho is going to be less accurate than the cars speedo, im keen to learn .

Even with the tacho in, i barly used it, as i have already said, my ears know pretty much exactly when the engines at redline at the exact point id usually shift, i confirmed this also before i got rid of the tacho (seemed to get 10x more police attention with it) i drove without looking at it with my best mate watching it for me, and hey guess what, EVERY SHIFT I MADE WAS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THERE ON REDLINE, hence why i got rid of it, watching it wasnt getting me any closer to the redline. The only thing it was doing for me was attracting cops.

There is no way i could get the times i'm getting without a tacho/shiftlift light

Gees what a pity, it must mean i cant too then hey......lol.

My best mate drives a slightly modded swift, we cruise together alot. I consistantly pull very slightly on him through 1st and second, he starts gaining back when i shift to third.

The period that i had a tacho didnt make me faster ONE LITTLE BIT AT ALL in the numerous time we ran together. Having a tacho was just confirming exactly what my hearing was telling me. Maby your ears arnt very fine tuned, ive been playing music my whole life and find using a tach was no more accurate for me.

If you going to reply, please dont forget to answer me this:
Apart from the smaller sweep range, please inform me why the cars oem tacho is going to be less accurate than the cars speedo, im keen to learn .

[Muzz]

If you guys are taking about just driving daily like a bitch, that's another story.

If your talking about racing, THATS another story......
Please point out to me where the OP mentiond tracking/racing his car.
Also i would really like you to point out where i mentioned that a tacho wouldnt be useful/neccissary in racing.

Ill repeat myself for your ignorance:

All im trying to say, is even though all these features are wonderful and make life a little easier, they really dont impact much at all on the driving experiance, so dont feel bad if you cant get em...

Notice the words "driving experiance", dont confuse that with "racing experiance".

Oh, and that comment you made "why do racing cars use a tacho and not a speedo" thats just down right silly.

As you say they obviously have no concern for road speed, so why would they install a speedometer to determine the redline, especially when a tach has a much larger sweep, and provides the info straight up?

If you havnt got the bitching session out of your system, bring it via PM, this is COMPLETY off topic...

[barefootbonzai]

Oh, and that comment you made "why do racing cars use a tacho and not a speedo" thats just down right silly.

As you say they obviously have no concern for road speed, so why would they install a speedometer to determine the redline, especially when a tach has a much larger sweep, and provides the info straight up?

If you havnt got the bitching session out of your system, bring it via PM, this is COMPLETY off topic...

lmao, when did i say that anyone would install a speedo to determine redline?

Obviously you couldn't see my point was that a Tacho is important, compared with the race car not having one. I guess with you behind the wheel you could just hear when to shift.

[barefootbonzai]

This was my original statement.

There is no way you could drive a car to it's potential without a tacho or shift light of some sort. Looking at your speed will not be accurate enough for you to know when to shift.

Then th.is was your Question to me about me and my car. Everything i wrote after that was in response.

Are you telling me you cant drive your car, and shift pretty much right on the redline without looking down at your tacho???
.....

How about you open your eyes.

[jwakefi0]

You seem to be a kind of guy that really analyzes things to the extremes. But this statement of yours is just plan silly. There is no way you could drive a car to it's potential without a tacho or shift light of some sort. Looking at your speed will not be accurate enough for you to know when to shift.

Then engine note? come on...

Its very easy to learn when to shift, basing it on the engine note, ive been doing it for ages now. You just learn when its the right sound to shift. You dont even need to look at your speed..the only reason you do is to make sure u dont go over the speed limit.