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 Originally Posted by avid
Yes ,mabye like mine, a tyre rotation might help.Although if the camber is set as far 'positive' as i think you're suggesting that could certainly be a problem.
I see that another member is now complaining of the drift problem since he had his tyres rotated at the 30,000k service.
Try the dealer,but you will probably get the same response as me "yeah mate thats your wheel alignment,you've probably hit the gutter or something" "sorry, thats not covered by warranty".
How many K's your car done?
mine is 18K now....but in my case it is not the wheel allignment - since i've just done it this week...i just bit worries when the guy said - maybe something is bent or knocked out of place...which i can't recall anything of hitting kerb etc...so your drifting thing is rectified yet avid?
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Take it back to the dealer and have the sub frame adjusted to correct the cambers, for eg if you have n/s/f -0.5 and o/s/f + 0.5 degree of camber then your front wheels would look like this / / so it will have a tedency to pull right. This will rectify your veering to the right.
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 Originally Posted by DR HONDA
Take it back to the dealer and have the sub frame adjusted to correct the cambers, for eg if you have n/s/f -0.5 and o/s/f + 0.5 degree of camber then your front wheels would look like this / / so it will have a tedency to pull right. This will rectify your veering to the right.
DR honda thanks mate for the reply...a question: adjusting subframe won't be such a hard job right? will that need some part replace or just simply an adjustment task? just on the tight budget now can't afford those honda expensive charge
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 Originally Posted by che_ryan
DR honda thanks mate for the reply...a question: adjusting subframe won't be such a hard job right? will that need some part replace or just simply an adjustment task? just on the tight budget now can't afford those honda expensive charge 
Have you complained about this to your original selling dealer or are you the second owner? Subframe adjustment is a little bit of a mission.
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Mine was doing similar drift to the right in 3-5 secs on a straight road at 5,000klm, honda dealer adjusted my subframe, did not drift on straight road any more, only under right camber, excessive !!. Ever since they adjusted my k-frame steering out also....K-frame only a band aid solution, to counter the pulling drifting to the right. Changed my tyres still pulling excessively right going to get my k-frame straightened seeing as I just changed tyres....if it's the bridgstone reo40's then should track straight again steering wheel should be straight then aswell....hope this works.
Do you have bridgestone reo40's?
Might not be your fault report it to your dealer, go in there with the knowledge you have from this forum about the drifting problem other euro's have, be firm.
Don't even mention anything bent or what alignment guy said, see what they say.
Keep us posted
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 Originally Posted by LXRY
Mine was doing similar drift to the right in 3-5 secs on a straight road at 5,000klm, honda dealer adjusted my subframe, did not drift on straight road any more, only under right camber, excessive !!. Ever since they adjusted my k-frame steering out also....K-frame only a band aid solution, to counter the pulling drifting to the right. Changed my tyres still pulling excessively right going to get my k-frame straightened seeing as I just changed tyres....if it's the bridgstone reo40's then should track straight again steering wheel should be straight then aswell....hope this works.
Do you have bridgestone reo40's?
Might not be your fault report it to your dealer, go in there with the knowledge you have from this forum about the drifting problem other euro's have, be firm.
Don't even mention anything bent or what alignment guy said, see what they say.
Keep us posted
If the frame adjustment was carried out correctly and the front and rear toe reset to specs then this would not be a band aid solution. Moving the subframe left ar right does give camber changes when done on an aligner and not on a hoist.
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 Originally Posted by DR HONDA
If the frame adjustment was carried out correctly and the front and rear toe reset to specs then this would not be a band aid solution. Moving the subframe left ar right does give camber changes when done on an aligner and not on a hoist.
Are the K-frames set from factory straight? Are they meant to be straight? Are they meant to be moved? What went wrong with my car? Did the K-frame loosen? Is that why they adjusted it? Why would they need to adjust K-frame? Why is my steering wheel not centre, even after several wheel alignments...after K-frame adjustment? Can they get my car to track straight as it was brand new, remembering this happened at 5,000klm's by the adjustments they made by moving the K-frame? Is there room for error?
These are some of the questions I asked Honda Dealer and Honda Aust. when this happened. NO ANSWERs that's what I got.
If they are performing this task to counter act problems with REO40's then yes BAND AID solution. BAND AID solution because it's not the same as when I bought the car up until the 5,000klm mark, it's quite shocking actually. If the K-frame moved at the 5,000klm mark then they needed to straighten it again, this is not the case as my steering wheel was out, pointed at 10-12 o'clock after adjustment, i'm assuming. Please correct me if i'm wrong.
Not sure if K-frame adjustment could cause camber issue....could it affect castor? My steering wheel comes back quick and firm on left hand turn, but, right hand turn very weak, quite slow, especially more under right camber situation.
Not sure if it was performed on hoist, I'm assuming it was.
Maybe you can help answer some of these questions Dr Honda? Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated on this issue
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 Originally Posted by DR HONDA
Have you complained about this to your original selling dealer or are you the second owner? Subframe adjustment is a little bit of a mission.
i've already told my seeling dealer - plan is this wed for me to bring my euro there.
Not sure if K-frame adjustment could cause camber issue....could it affect castor? My steering wheel comes back quick and firm on left hand turn, but, right hand turn very weak, quite slow, especially more under right camber situation.
and i think i might have experience the same thing that luxry posted above as well. I'll post some more info after wed...see what this honda techies can find out.
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 Originally Posted by che_ryan
Not sure if K-frame adjustment could cause camber issue....could it affect castor? My steering wheel comes back quick and firm on left hand turn, but, right hand turn very weak, quite slow, especially more under right camber situation.
That's normal. If the road has right camber, of course it's going to return much weaker from a right hand turn. It's better to check your steering on straight road as that will give your dealer one less avenue of "debunking" your problem.
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Stocky CL9 - 1:17.2
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 Originally Posted by che_ryan
i've already told my seeling dealer - plan is this wed for me to bring my euro there.
Not sure if K-frame adjustment could cause camber issue....could it affect castor? My steering wheel comes back quick and firm on left hand turn, but, right hand turn very weak, quite slow, especially more under right camber situation.
and i think i might have experience the same thing that luxry posted above as well. I'll post some more info after wed...see what this honda techies can find out.
Euros dont have k frames but are considered a full chassis subframe mounted on rubber bushings to give you an adjustment if required. When you have your vehicle aligned then ask the dealer for the w/a printout after the job is done. If unsure of what it means and car is still not right then post it up and ill give you my thoughts.
As for the RE040 this veering issue is not only particular to the 17" rim but also to the 16" so definetely not a tyre issue.
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also check caster
this is what can also cause pulling to one side when caster is uneven.
when the car is put put on to get an alignment a good technician can see whats wrong.
Last edited by iced; 11-06-2007 at 01:19 PM.
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 Originally Posted by DR HONDA
As for the RE040 this veering issue is not only particular to the 17" rim but also to the 16" so definetely not a tyre issue.
The 16" owners sometimes confuse this issue with tramlining. I find that it happens on 16" if your car is lowered enough to get the rear alignment out of spec (with no rear camber kit installed).
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