8th Gen Issues - Shame on you Honda

[~Sp33~]

Just to stir things up a little:

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...Quality+Survey

Civic scored well. When you design something brand new like the 8th gen civic your going to get minor flaws that are un-seeable on paper and are only really recognizable after thousands of examples are released to the public. The 8th gen will eventually get a series 2 and from there quality will improve.

On a side note, the new commodore is having a fair few problems too, all new design, all new problems they hadnt faced before in previous editions.

[chylld]

good point and well made. new cars are bound to have more problems as they're 'teethed' into the market... my car was one of the first few hundred out in aus.

one point i didn't make in my previous message is that my problems are actually being resolved. improvements seen in series 2/3/4/etc. often come about because of problems realised in earlier series. the current model is still a new car, but in about a year or so i would expect the problems to be ironed out. my car is obviously playing a part in that process.

i was actually lucky in that the batch of civics just before mine had problems with the power steering failing (campaign #TE094L06)

[andyhui01]

now to answer your question: it is impossible to say. you may get a flawless civic, or you may get a civic that has even more flaws than mine. all anyone on these forums can do is state the facts and experiences available to them, upon which you will have to make the final decision yourself.

i should also add that at the same time my civic was in for its 4th warranty service (in less than a year), there was another person in at the same dealer with a similarly faulty civic. could just be coincidence.

We understand that your civic has 27 flaws but could I just ask, would you say that this can happen on any car regardless of its make? Obviously the chances are less as the prices go up, but couldn't this happen on any car? My point is sometimes people just get Lemons and dealers will try to rectify this as much as they can, this is a fact of life.

[gr1d]

Don't forget the annoying rattles that comes from front passenger side/glove box/steering wheel...I reckon that's the common issue too... Bought a brand spanking new car, take your gf/families/friends for a spin, then trrr trrr...tac tac tac...drrrt.drrrrrrrrrt...tic tac...trr trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt....what's that noise???? oh, it's nothing guys, I just need to turn my radio volume up to 15...taadaaaa..no more rattle..

[chylld]

We understand that your civic has 27 flaws but could I just ask, would you say that this can happen on any car regardless of its make? Obviously the chances are less as the prices go up, but couldn't this happen on any car? My point is sometimes people just get Lemons and dealers will try to rectify this as much as they can, this is a fact of life.

absolutely, it could happen on any car, regardless of the price.

one of the main reasons i was annoyed so much was that i expected a $30k honda to have a higher standard of quality than a $15k hyundai, and apparently even those expectations were out of line.

of course the problems themselves are only part of the situation... how the dealer / service centre resolves them is the other part. again, in my experience, honda has been a bit of a let-down here compared to hyundai.

this is all beside the fact that i have never heard of another new car with as many problems, no matter how big or small.

[clem]

chylld, my post was not intended to take a shot at you, but to simply answer someones query to whether or not he should purchase this car. Due to your relentless Honda quality bashing posts, it would clearly deter anyone who reads them from purchasing a Honda.

I should have reworded my select few, It didn't mean that you were selected, it meant that you were one of the unfortunate people who were singled out on getting a decent civic. Sure, I feel for you because you purchased a new car expecting it to be of decent quality and the faults came to you unexpectedly and you were messed about by the service department who didn't seem to give a rats about your problems. This is unacceptable, but it really depends on which service dept had taken your car, i'm sure other dealers are happy to help.

This experience should not stop people from purchasing a new civic, but should help them be more aware of what sort of troubles they may come by, and may help them resolve the issues the way you did. Sorry if I've offended you.

It is apparent that the majority of 8th gen civic owners who received their car are almost 100% satisfactory with it and only ever came across the odd issue of power window/doors jamming. I'm stating this from first hand experience as I was one of the people who managed to get one as soon as it came out, and I have a few other friends who also have the earlier model, they hadn't come across any of the problems that you have, so its kind of unfair to claim that honda has 'shit' quality overall.

[LXRY]

chylld your entitled to your opinion.

I doubt you are the only one dissasisfied with your civic, as ozhonda represents a small portion of civic owners.

I too am a little disappointed not only with the quality but with Honda Australia. Customer Satisfaction....pfffftt.

Problems with your car should be fixed straight away NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

The car industry is changing dramatically, competition is fierce throughout the industry.

Every new designed car when first introduced into the market has faults. If you want a reiable car then veer towards models which have been around for a while.....these models recieve makeover's every year they are released and problems fixed aswell from previous years.

[Arcturus]

Thanks for the advice everyone, it's greatly appreciated. I'm taking the Civic for a test drive tomorrow and am still leaning that way (the new Corolla is a possibility, but I'm still in favour of the Civic). One of the biggest factors for me is its fuel economy, and i'm looking for something relatively spacious in a small car (although IMO it's a medium car). The Mazda 3 looks good but its economy isn't as good, so that only leaves me with the Corolla.

Hopefully many of these common issues have been resolved in the 2007 model, i'm wondering if anyone has experienced them with a Civic they bought recently?

[chylld]

... its kind of unfair to claim that honda has 'shit' quality overall.

no offence taken clem. one thing i will point out is that i never said that honda has shit quality overall... i only just said what's wrong with my car and how my experience with honda has been; if that conveys a negative image for Honda, then that's Honda's fault.

fyi, if you haven't been following my main thread, the problems with my car are actually getting fixed, albeit very slowly and only after a lot of repeat visits. once i am sure of the fix to each problem i will post up a new thread detailing each problem, the symptoms, and how honda (or myself) resolved the problem, with whatever warranty info i find applicable (part numbers etc.)

that way no one else will have to go through the same trouble that i did.

[aaronng]

Just to stir things up a little:

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...Quality+Survey

Civic scored well. When you design something brand new like the 8th gen civic your going to get minor flaws that are un-seeable on paper and are only really recognizable after thousands of examples are released to the public. The 8th gen will eventually get a series 2 and from there quality will improve.

On a side note, the new commodore is having a fair few problems too, all new design, all new problems they hadnt faced before in previous editions.

If that survey was done in the US, then it is not the same model as the FD1 and FD2. They are a different design and also manufactured in a different factory.

[clem]

Yeah, sorry, I know it wasn't you who said and implied that Honda had shit quality, it was mainly directed at the fence sitters who, after reading about a few faults and complaints automatically label the 8th gen as a poorly constructed car.

[w8eyes]

i have a '07 model civic, sydney based abt 6months old n 11000kms. only problem thats worth mentioning is the windows.. its been fixed quite easily n quickly. the problem is that the rubber lining on the window gets dry and therefore cause too much friction and the windows gets stuck. all they did when i took it to fix was, get some oil based lubricants and it was fixed... 5mins.

also another problem was when i first got the car, there was a squeeling noise from the rear.. i found out about the problem when i did my 10k service they said that the breaks are been treated too nice(i break to lightly), so the break pads becomes shiny and therefore the noise, so during the service they deglazed it and problem fixed....

no problems with the car other than that..

a 30k car with vtec, stock 3.5mm audio jack, and stylish looking car... reliable service, WHY NOT?!?!?!

not to mention ive heard heaps of problem with the passenger windows... n they not all from honda, seems like most of the japanese company cars have the same problems, after hearing those from friends... i guess its fair to get 1 or 2 minor problems~