Civic Type R $39,990 + On Roads

[industrie]

i love it how all the young honda fans who dont really understand where the market is talk about power and performance...if you want something fast get a turbo car or something V8 and above...i think until they understand where the business is going and whats viable for profits, you will always get those comments...until then we have a UK type R and thats all australia will get and that is to compete in the hot hatch market!

[Tofu]

Please do review it, but when doing a review about your test drive in a CTR...please let us know what car you own/drive daily...
because if you own an EVO (i know this is a Honda forum, but for argument sake lets say someone here does own an EVO), your opinion about the CTR's drive/handling/etc can be read differently. On the other hand, if you have a Holden Barina, of course you will be impressed by the CTR.

[Weq]

To use another Porsche analogy (albeit exaggerated) that some might better understand... Don't build a Cayenne and call it a 911. There is a large 911 fan base, (undoubtedly bigger and deeper pocketed than purist Type R fans,) and when you continue to put out products that don't display the integraty (pun intended ) from which the fans had formed their loyalty, then you will screw all that awareness and goodwill that had been built with the people (like me) who had purchased in to that brand. If Porsche tomorrow said that they'd stop making 911s and future models will be front engined and weigh 2 tonnes, I doubt that they will continue to be the most profitable car company in the world.

I have fallen deeply for the DC2R (sad but true), I'm fortunate not to be limited financially to virtually any mainstream performance car available on the market, but I choose to be patient, for someone to make something that is worthy of my dollars, something that displays that the manufacturer has really moved the game on from the DC2R. From what I've seen of the FD2, this hits a lot of those buttons. For now, I still have an affinity with Honda (and Porsches!), but if the Japanese folk were not creating the cars they are in Honda Japan, my affinity with Honda will slowly dissolve and I will not place them as first preference among the Japanese makers, they may as well become a Toyota and build as many mundane Civics as they can to bolster their balance sheets, then people with a loyalty like me will not place them first on the list to earn my money. They will just become another maker of a commodity from which I can choose between a whole host of generic suppliers. Yes, Honda is a commercial entity in business to make money, but Soichiro also recognised that there is an intangible factor in creating halo cars that say something about their capabilities that don't necessarily make them any money on those particular niche cars, but say a lot about Honda, and in particular Type R. This UK CTR says to me... I just want to sell as many of these things as I can...the bigger the subwoofer, the better. I suppose even the Pussycat dolls make money in the music industry , but in time, they will slowly fade away (hopefully) in to irrelevance, like Type R if Honda Aus keeps telling people like me that sat nav and electric power steering is more worthy than genuine performance and driver involvement.

I don't mind the fact that the JDM car is a 4 door, I know in the results that it weighs even less than this 3 door car we're getting...and I have more confidence that those clever people in Japan has pored over the minute details to extract as much performance as possible within the Type R ethos. They didn't come to the conclusion that it could do without an LSD...they've shown us in the comparative lap times that it is a very effective machine despite the 4 door layout.

I leave you now with the image of Ayrton Senna driving the NSX Type R around Suzuka (if you haven't seen it, youtube it, it's worth it). Now, there is a core appeal of true Type R, whether it be an NSX, Civic or Integra. The only image I associate with the UK CTR are hats worn backwards and neon lights driving down Chapel st wif da doof doof cranked up to 11.

Oh my god. I cant remmber the last time i read such a fantastic post on ozhonda.

*hats off*

[mpd076-chuck]

i love it how all the young honda fans who dont really understand where the market is talk about power and performance...if you want something fast get a turbo car or something V8 and above...

Us young 30 year old's understand where the market is... and don't understand why people are falling over themselves for a car that on paper seems like very little improvement over a DC5R, six years on.

Guess we wait and see how it drives for the final verdict.

[mpd076-chuck]

Oh my god. I cant remmber the last time i read such a fantastic post on ozhonda.

*hats off*

Seconded.

[UNLS1]

i have a very open opinion, i understand the market, im a honda dealer...

My opinion is open coz i love my cars. Ive had 3 holdens my last a 5.7lt V8 that i miss so much.
I have lernt since being in the auto industry no to be one eyed!
I love the new CTR, i love all hondas in general for what the are and what they do!
I still love my V8s, ive drivin golf gtis, XR5 and most other cars that compete against hondas too.
Im on here coz i love hondas, my holden mates bag me but i dont care as they are the one eyed bogans who have no idea! I love the golf GTi too, i even love ford XR6 turbos....

anyhow i do what i do coz i love it! and im so very proud to work for honda and sell such a good product!
Im going to purchase another V8 soon so i can have the best of both worlds!

Sorry for this post, i may sound like a loser but i dont care!
P.s i cant wait to take the CTR home tom night lol

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What engine does it have? K20A what?

[jeffske]

is this any quicker then the EP3?
EP3's seem to have a $32k asking price, who in their right mind would pay $32k for an EP3 when the new CTR is $40k

[sitta]

is this any quicker then the EP3?
EP3's seem to have a $32k asking price, who in their right mind would pay $32k for an EP3 when the new CTR is $40k

You made a good point there, i am getting my civic type r in a couple of weeks, i even considered the ep3 but looking at their price which is around 28-32 k is just ridiculous. I might consider the ep3 if it cost 20 - 25k

[mpd076-chuck]

I test drove an EP3 and it's a great car, but I agree it's a mid 20's car. I think you will find you can negotiate that 32K asking price down well into the 20's and they will settle around that price as more come in.

[mpd076-chuck]

is this any quicker then the EP3?
EP3's seem to have a $32k asking price, who in their right mind would pay $32k for an EP3 when the new CTR is $40k

Have to wait and see if it is quicker, but I doubt it.

EP3 158kW, 1200kg 7.6kg/kW
AUCTR 148kW, 1345kg 9kg/kW

However, the AUCTR has lower gearing with a FD of 5.062 versus EP3 4.764, which will help it make up the power to weight deficit.

Is the AUCTR 40K on road? I thought 40K plus on-road costs?

[sitta]

Have to wait and see if it is quicker, but I doubt it.

EP3 158kW, 1200kg 7.6kg/kW
AUCTR 148kW, 1345kg 9kg/kW

However, the AUCTR has lower gearing with a FD of 5.062 versus EP3 4.764, which will help it make up the power to weight deficit.

Is the AUCTR 40K on road? I thought 40K plus on-road costs?

is the ep3 158 kw? arent they build in uk and has the same k20 as the new ctr?