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 Originally Posted by UNLS1
wrong, i give my honest opinion all the time, as i said, ive driven lots of the competition i love the CTR, but at the end id prob like to own a GTI. I had a holden gen 3 for the first 2 years i worked for honda, i loved that car so much but i could give u a list of things that were poor and i didnt like.
I had a type S, i didnt love it, i loved my m6 euro better.
If u have anything else to say feel free to PM me 
haha I like to put the words on the open forum, but don't worry I know when to stop...
one important question, would there ever be a white model released? 3 colours is just too little to choose from...
Last edited by xtercii; 25-06-2007 at 10:37 PM.
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 Originally Posted by UNLS1
i drove one for ages it was nothing special, very poor seats, only 4 airbags, shocking turning circle, poor visablility. The UK CTR is a massive step forward.
i was referring to performance, of the UK CTR vs the TypeS.
if you want to talk about seats, airbags, and turning circle...the CTR not all that great compared to $40k-$45k euro hatches
Last edited by Tofu; 26-06-2007 at 12:06 AM.
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 Originally Posted by curik
Top gear says civic type r is the best hot hatch. Fair enough, but it is the best on the TRACK, where you dont care about anything but fastest time. But do you own a hot hatch for sheer tracking? If yes then the typeR is the best. But if one includes other factors such as daily driving, fuel consumption, comfort, and other things outside of track, I can see why one picks up a GTI+DSG over the CTR. Turbo, easily do 6.6s 0-100, huge potential of extra power from mods, better FC than CTR, german quality. The only drawback is almost one in 10 golfs you spot is GTI, and it only goes to 7000rpm.
I believe the CTR actually posted the slowest lap time of all the cars tested in Top Gear's hot hatch comparison which completely discredits your ill informed assumption. Something along the lines of 'despite a shortfall in poke, there's a strong argument that it provides the most accomplished and accessible mix of involvement on the one hand and cossetting on the other' was the reason for it winning
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Why is Accord Euro getting mentioned in this, its a family sedan not a sports orientated hatchback. Its entirely different market.
Whether the type R good value or not cannot say yet before drive, I like why you get the distinct styling and lots of standard features. But 40k for a Civic? 40k for a integra push it already, but civici I think too far a push. 40k you can buy a true sports back nearly, not these pretend sports based on hatchbacks.
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Spotted the Civic TypeR in the Yarra Valley today while I was bringing some friends wine tasting. Had a chat with the driver and he said that it was loaned to him by Honda to get reviewed, so I reckoned he must be from Drive or Wheels or one of the motor magazines. He let me take a look inside and it's a beaut!
| cusco strut brace : toda headers : metal cat : fujitsubo legalisR : comptech SS : mugen visors : mugen CF airbox : euroR badges : custom 3M floor mats |
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^ look nicer than I thought
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 Originally Posted by UNLS1
i drove one for ages it was nothing special, very poor seats, only 4 airbags, shocking turning circle, poor visablility. The UK CTR is a massive step forward.
um...TypeS turning circle is 11.6m
this CTR turning circle is 12.3m
how is a smaller turning circle in the TypeS shocking?
poor visability in a TypeS compared to the CTR?? um...isn't there like no visibility from the rear windscreen because of the so called integrated wing.?
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u get used to the wing, i ment when u do shoulder checks, type s is terrible. After driving the CTR for a bit i got used to the rear wing and it is fine, it splits the back windscreen in half but u can still see everything behind the car.
I dont mean to flame or cause any anger. Im just voicing my opinion on the new CTR and a few others to compare it with, just like others who have NOT drivin the car who are giving their opinions and think its a shocker! i dont mind that is their opinion!
i even had a lol @ the remark about a White CTR being done...
kindest regards
im not biased, i just tell it how it is.
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12.3m? man the camry even does better than that!
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 Originally Posted by UNLS1
I dont mean to flame or cause any anger. Im just voicing my opinion on the new CTR and a few others to compare it with, just like others who have NOT drivin the car who are giving their opinions and think its a shocker! i dont mind that is their opinion!
kindest regards
  on that. I must admit that you have so much of patience on dealing with those posts. No wonder Honda hires you 
When OZ Honda doesn't bring Type R, people complains.
When OZ Honda bring Type R (DC2R DC5R), people complains cause it's detuned.
When OZ Honda bring DC5 Type S, people complains cause it's not Type R, though the previous DC5R was closed to be Type S.
When OZ Honda bring CTR, people complains that it's too comfy
too porky, too slow
Let's say if OZ Honda bring in JDM CTR, people complains cause it's 4 doors
I think it's the fact that human cannot be happy. Look at the good side guys, some countries can't even get an Type R.
Daily car and track car are contrary to each other. Normal street is never be as smooth as a race track. I remember an episode in Top Gear which takes Ferrari, Ford GT, Zonda to a test for daily driving. It cracks me up when they tried to get the car off the parking ramp.. those cars are either too wide or too low.
People with lots of $$$ can afford two cars, or severals.... that I would say good on you. But not for majority others.
I agree that UK CTR tainted with true image of Type R which is more track focussed. If the CTR is rebadged as CTS, I'm sure people will complain again 
I would settle for this CTR as it brings more creature comfort with a hint of performance and driving experience. Some people can drive Melb - Syd with their DC2R, but not me. 4000rpm on cruising is music for others, but nuissance for me. The cruise control is a blessing for me. CTR is not the fastest on the tracks or the twisties, but speed is only one of component involved in driving experience. If people watch Initial D, they will understand that 
Quote from TopGear Stig's article:
Despite a shortfall in poke, it provides the most accomplished and accessible mix of involvement...
Even they acknowledge that it's not the fastest.
UNLS1, could you bring it to the Melb car wash wednesday night? 
Last edited by twing; 26-06-2007 at 05:33 PM.
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 Originally Posted by Tofu
um...TypeS turning circle is 11.6m
this CTR turning circle is 12.3m
how is a smaller turning circle in the TypeS shocking?
poor visability in a TypeS compared to the CTR?? um...isn't there like no visibility from the rear windscreen because of the so called integrated wing.?
oh and please if ur going to quote information please make sure it is correct
CTR turning circle
Wheels : 11.12m
Body : 11.18m
Thats from Honda Australia
im not biased, i just tell it how it is.
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