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  1. #469
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennjamin View Post
    this CTR is not aimed at a proper enthusiast at all -
    not any kid here that is naturally progressing from say a DC2R to a more mature car etc is going to pick a new CTR over say a evo 9 etc .

    Well said, my sentiments exactly.

  2. #470
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    i went and took a good look at one today at scotts artarmon... it really does look MUCH better in the metal... black with red interior, the seats were a bit more for fat arses than my car, and one thing i really truly hated was that i sat so high in the car, felt like i was sitting on it not in it... but then it is a hatchback...

    the little luxuries were very very tempting, like dual zone cc, cruise control and all that crap... but reading this thread now, now LSD??? and you put a R badge on it... that must be why it costs to get the stickers down the side.

    It would have to be a tremendous performer to win me over... stay tuned for the test drive this Saturday

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    Yeah, looks like ive got a silver one to test Monday nite, ill post up what I think

  4. #472
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    Just read the Aug Motor magazine with the test of the CTR / Golf GTI and Mazda MPS. The golf wins the contest but they don't do any performance testing due to the weather.

    Interestingly they say the CTR has a final drive ratio of 5.062. Pretty sure that is shorter than the DC5R which no doubt helps acceleration to 100kph.

    Although they do say this:

    Our performance testing was a wash-out, but I reckon Honda's official claims of 6.6 to 100km/h and 14.8 for 0-400m might require a wing and a prayer. Or two.

    Golf feels much brisker off the mark than the Type R and punchier everywhere else. GTI has seamless, useable urge when squeezing part-throttle, pulls cleanly in any gear and absolutely kills the Type R for in-gear rolling acceleration and response.
    Last edited by yfin; 11-07-2007 at 09:28 PM.

  5. #473
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    Wow, they make the Golf GTI sound like a power machine!The Megane RS,Astra VXR,Focus XR5,have a faster in gear acceleration and are quicker over the 1/4 mile than the GTI.I mean ,really 15.3sec for the 1/4 mile by the GTI (as quoted by some reviews)is rather pedestrian for a turbo charged car.If someone checks out the EVO Mag.issue where they test the Civic Type R practically every in-gear acceleration of the GTI is slower than all the other competitors bar the Type R.
    If the JDM CTR was available,that too would lose the comparison for the same reason or something like "Ouch the ride is very firm".

  6. #474
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    That's the reason why I don't like Motor magazine and prefer Wheels instead. At least wheels posts all the times they get in addition to the driver, track, temperature and weather.
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  7. #475
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    Drive.com.au have just done a write up(dated 11/07) on the Type R they gave it 4/5 stars the same as the Golf GTI.
    The Madza 3 MPS scored 4.5 /5 stars.
    This review was quite favourable to the CTR.

    http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=41617&vf=2

  8. #476
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    Quote Originally Posted by yfin View Post
    Just read the Aug Motor magazine with the test of the CTR / Golf GTI and Mazda MPS. The golf wins the contest but they don't do any performance testing due to the weather.

    Interestingly they say the CTR has a final drive ratio of 5.062. Pretty sure that is shorter than the DC5R which no doubt helps acceleration to 100kph.

    Although they do say this:

    Our performance testing was a wash-out, but I reckon Honda's official claims of 6.6 to 100km/h and 14.8 for 0-400m might require a wing and a prayer. Or two.

    Golf feels much brisker off the mark than the Type R and punchier everywhere else. GTI has seamless, useable urge when squeezing part-throttle, pulls cleanly in any gear and absolutely kills the Type R for in-gear rolling acceleration and response.
    the golf does seem quick off the mark due to the additional torque. (i think its almost 100lbs/in more)
    The finish inside is just arse and the seats! i could go on all day about how bad the seats are.
    You have to upgrade to leather just to get rid of the awful trim colors. an extra 3k expense.
    To put it simply the golf is just boring, an A to B car with some stick when you want it.

    and as far as i know yfin thats the correct FD ratio. Dc2r was 4.7 and the new type R is 5.062.

    drove the golf for a half a day but Honda dealership was very protective of the Type R. I don't think they realized how serious we were until we started spec'ing one up in the office.
    You can't sell a sports car if all you do is drive it in traffic and down some side streets.

    If pure sales service sold cars then Volkswagen would have sold me a car. Even Audi gave us a S3 which is a $65k car for 2hrs without a chaperon.

    The first dealer we went to said they weren't going to put a CTR demo car on the road.
    how do they expect to sell cars if you can't test drive them.
    Honda Australia really needs to pull its head out of its ass if they want to sell these cars.

  9. #477
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR Coupe View Post
    The first dealer we went to said they weren't going to put a CTR demo car on the road.
    how do they expect to sell cars if you can't test drive them.
    Honda Australia really needs to pull its head out of its ass if they want to sell these cars.
    My mate had the same problem with his XR5, no Ford dealer down here had a demo! Every time they got one in someone bought it!

    In the end he bought one just from magazine reviews, took nearly 6 months to get here but he loves every minute of driving it! And they are awesome, the sound, the feel, the torque!

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    we have a demo, but we wont and i know 3 of my mates at other dealers will NOT give one to a customer for half a day, we must be in the car for a test drive.
    The reasons are rather simple on why we wont let it out for half a day for a test drive without being present.

    Same as ford next door with the XR5.
    im not biased, i just tell it how it is.

  12. #480
    Quote Originally Posted by slipangle View Post
    Interesting comparison between the JDM and UK car;

    http://www.crash.net/motoring/review~tid~399~id~15487~pid~0.htm
    taken from the article:

    The JDM ride is still hard, but feels more compliant and better executed than it does in the UK car and, despite the hardcore rubber, there’s plenty of traction
    “I had high hopes for the new version but, having driven it, I'm not sure if I like what it's become. In fact, I'm just not quite sure what it wants to be. I'm not complaining about the way it looks, it's well equipped and – if it weren’t for that ride – comfortable, with great seats and a very funky interior. But that's not what the Type-R should be about. There’s just something missing” I couldn’t agree more.


    heh... oh dear
    Last edited by ginganggooly; 12-07-2007 at 11:57 AM.
    And so it begins...


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