CTR - Motor Bang For Your Buck 2007

[hengz]

some people will love it to death while some will think its ordinary and not living up to the R badge.

and i kinda agree with Charles' column in the latest ASM. the good old days are long gone and we better get used to these newer breeds of performance cars.

I believe this to be tottally true. I originally wasn't a big fan of honda because i'd always loved my evo's but since picking up my CTR last night i absolutely love it. Preformance cars as we know it has changed, i was originally in the market for a dc2r but i find this car is more well suited for me. It's a nice daily whilst also has preformance when needed.

[Omotesando]

U know what is really surprising too is that, whilst straight line speed isn't all that matters, this version of CTR is slower from 0-100 than the Euro Accord!

2ndly without an LSD, it really doesn't deserve the R-badge, especially if it has tendencies to run wide as the Ian Luff noted.

Not sure if everyone know but Ian Luff is very very very capable in most racing series he competes in. The guy is so good, whenever the race is wet, he will just about lap everyone. I'll probably rate him higher than the other Rick Bates (?) and Cameron McConville, although they're all pretty good drivers.

Anyone who says these Motor 'Journos' cant drive or can't get better acceleration times must be kidding themselves.

I have driven the DC2R and the DC5Rs numerous times and quite honestly, their straight line speeds aren't impressive at all. The Euro Accord feels faster especially rolling start, but the DC2R and DC5Rs can launch better on the odd occasion just because they are a much lighter FWD, 2ndly they have better gearing ratios. Still, not as over rated as the Mitsu FTO though. Or the new CTR we are getting.

[Chris_typer]

I believe this to be tottally true. I originally wasn't a big fan of honda because i'd always loved my evo's but since picking up my CTR last night i absolutely love it. Preformance cars as we know it has changed, i was originally in the market for a dc2r but i find this car is more well suited for me. It's a nice daily whilst also has preformance when needed.

Yes exactly..alright it might not be the fastest of cars but its not like your on a race track everyday, maybe if you were you would notice it more that doesn't perform as good as other rivals but for day to day use and times when you want to have some fun at the lights..it still goes hard so you can say what you want, its still a good quality car.

[ennavoli]

The Euro Accord feels faster especially rolling start, but the DC2R and DC5Rs can launch better on the odd occasion just because they are a much lighter FWD, 2ndly they have better gearing ratios. Still, not as over rated as the Mitsu FTO though. Or the new CTR we are getting.

It might feel faster but it will not be faster, should be very close due to the 0.4 displacement torque the EURO has, but AUDM EURO does not have the almighty K20A engine head of the EURO R (CL7R), which again disadvantages it, together with the weight.

However, in the wet, it does stands a chance though, with the all round double wishbone. For the EURO to compete against the DC2R or DC5R on the tracks, alot of dough will have to be spent on weight reducing the accord, together with the gear ratios as you have pointed out, plus their "daily driving" final drive ratio.

[ennavoli]

Yes exactly..alright it might not be the fastest of cars but its not like your on a race track everyday, maybe if you were you would notice it more that doesn't perform as good as other rivals but for day to day use and times when you want to have some fun at the lights..it still goes hard so you can say what you want, its still a good quality car.

As long as you're happy with your purchase, that's all that matters.

Not a fan of the performance or the looks of it, but I do agree the interior and certain portions of the vehicle looks good quality.

Give it a little bit of time to mature, then slowly more aftermarket parts will be out. If I had a FN2R right now, I would just keep it stock for a couple of years and spend on custom fibre parts to reduce its weight, but hey that's just me.

[aaronng]

I have driven the DC2R and the DC5Rs numerous times and quite honestly, their straight line speeds aren't impressive at all. The Euro Accord feels faster especially rolling start, but the DC2R and DC5Rs can launch better on the odd occasion just because they are a much lighter FWD, 2ndly they have better gearing ratios. Still, not as over rated as the Mitsu FTO though. Or the new CTR we are getting.

I've driven the Euro and the DC5R. The DC5R feels slower, but does the 0-100km/h in less time than the Euro. It's because of the torque. I did both cars from rolling starts.

[ennavoli]

I've driven the Euro and the DC5R. The DC5R feels slower, but does the 0-100km/h in less time than the Euro. It's because of the torque. I did both cars from rolling starts.

I have driven both the JDM CL7R and JDM DC5R (Back in S'pore), also from rolling starts.

I can tell you the difference is very very minimal, CL7R's K20A is setup slightly differently from the JDM DC5R's K20A, the CL7R's engine is setup for more torque. Change the final drive on the accord to that of the DC5R, we will have a very very close battle on rolling starts.

[Chris_typer]

As long as you're happy with your purchase, that's all that matters.

Not a fan of the performance or the looks of it, but I do agree the interior and certain portions of the vehicle looks good quality.

Give it a little bit of time to mature, then slowly more aftermarket parts will be out. If I had a FN2R right now, I would just keep it stock for a couple of years and spend on custom fibre parts to reduce its weight, but hey that's just me.

Yeah thats what I was looking into..but for the time being yeh im completely happy with it, when some mod's mature I will be looking into buying some.

[yfin]

U know what is really surprising too is that, whilst straight line speed isn't all that matters, this version of CTR is slower from 0-100 than the Euro Accord!

There is a NZ magazine test where the standard Euro got 0-100 in 7.6 seconds. Honda in the UK quote 7.9 seconds for the Euro.

The thing to keep in mind is that the Euro 0-100kph is assisted by still being in 2nd gear when it hits 100kph.

The CTR/DC5R have already changed to 3rd by 100kph so any advantage the Euro had up to 100kph is lost when the Euro needs to shift to 3rd.

[aaronng]

I have driven both the JDM CL7R and JDM DC5R (Back in S'pore), also from rolling starts.

I can tell you the difference is very very minimal, CL7R's K20A is setup slightly differently from the JDM DC5R's K20A, the CL7R's engine is setup for more torque. Change the final drive on the accord to that of the DC5R, we will have a very very close battle on rolling starts.

Our Euros are CL9s... We wish we had the CL7 though.

[didz]

The way i see it is, Honda went wrong when they strayed away from the formula they used with the DC2/5R's. Everything that didnt need to be there for racing and shit was taken out. No A/C, sound deadening, etc... This time round' the car's weight is what is slowing it down. Make it 1160kg like the DC5R and it will be a monster on the track and have MUCH more desirable accel times. The thing comes with that many gadgets and shit anyone would think it was a euro sports model inside and not a type R.

[ennavoli]

The way i see it is, Honda went wrong when they strayed away from the formula they used with the DC2/5R's. Everything that didnt need to be there for racing and shit was taken out. No A/C, sound deadening, etc... This time round' the car's weight is what is slowing it down. Make it 1160kg like the DC5R and it will be a monster on the track and have MUCH more desirable accel times. The thing comes with that many gadgets and shit anyone would think it was a euro sports model inside and not a type R.

IMHO, Honda actually did a fine job analyzing the current market before releasing FN2R. Most people in the market for a new performance car these days do actually prefer not only performance but a more comfortable ride and expect more "advanced" features (cruise controls, multiple airbags etc) Only the fair few of us actually want a more raw car which we fondly remember the type R badge sworn by. Most people will want more features out of a 2007 spec model than a 1998 model.

Not only the weight is a disadvantage, but the rear torsion beam makes me wonder if the rear suspension can be easily tuned for camber angles. FN2R is a hot hatch, not the JDM type R everyone wants.

In terms of marketing, they did good, but not for the few fair of us enthusiast. I myself prefer the raw type R and not the current FN2R, but we can always lighten the car ourselves. That is why there is the JDM FD2R for the more hardcore audience, but unfortunately, it might not arrive in Australia at all.