[Euro] Hondata Update

[aaronng]

IMHO, I wouldnt be jumping on board on any 'reflash' and would much prefer to wait until an economical option comes on the market.

It's been 4 years already. Hondata still hasn't released a Kpro that supports an electronic throttle. At least you also get I/H/E and a high-flow cat for your $4000. Most people aren't ready to spend $4000 just for a Motec with the electronic throttle add-on and tuning.

[EUR003act]

It's been 4 years already. Hondata still hasn't released a Kpro that supports an electronic throttle. At least you also get I/H/E and a high-flow cat for your $4000. Most people aren't ready to spend $4000 just for a Motec with the electronic throttle add-on and tuning.

if you look at it like this:
Cold Air Intake $400
Headers $1500
3" Exhaust $1600
High Flow Cat $200

Total $3700...

So yes, i think $4000 for all that and reflash is good price

[yfin]

if you look at it like this:
Cold Air Intake $400
Headers $1500
3" Exhaust $1600
High Flow Cat $200

Total $3700...

So yes, i think $4000 for all that and reflash is good price

Keep in mind this does not have the branding of a large manufacturer - yet those individual parts are at or above the price of top JDM/US brand products like Injen, Toda, etc.

Now one might reasonably ask why they took this approach (ie Jtune equipment must be used rather than selecting the best of what was already in the market)? Is it because they have outsmarted all the JDM aftermarket manufacturers of intake, header, exhausts? Or is it because this is a good business idea to package the reflash with mandatory Jtune parts? Think about it.

I am not saying the quality is not going to be good, it will be, but you can`t say the pricing of the parts is cheap.

[EUR003act]

i based prices on K&N CAI, TODA headers, Greddy Exhaust, and Skunk cat...

[EuroAccord13]

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw

Power at the hub and wheels are different, something that many people don't take note of...

[N3M3SIS]

Hey, just readin this Thread,

i Had the Jtune Header's & Exhaust on my 06 Euro for about 3 - 4 days
and i gotta say, its much louder than standard, but its not blasting, sounds quite good actually, and i was using the R&D system, the finished product will be more refined, also the look of the pipes is really good, they have just improved on the standard design. from what i understand its not the power gains that's important here, its the way the tune will release the power through the rev range, but we'll just have to wait and see when its released.

[aaronng]

Keep in mind this does not have the branding of a large manufacturer - yet those individual parts are at or above the price of top JDM/US brand products like Injen, Toda, etc.

Now one might reasonably ask why they took this approach (ie Jtune equipment must be used rather than selecting the best of what was already in the market)? Is it because they have outsmarted all the JDM aftermarket manufacturers of intake, header, exhausts? Or is it because this is a good business idea to package the reflash with mandatory Jtune parts? Think about it.

I am not saying the quality is not going to be good, it will be, but you can`t say the pricing of the parts is cheap.

Brand does not make the part good though. Look at DC Sport and Comptech. The DC Sport is a cheap mild steel header miserably coated to prevent rusting with a dodgy flex pipe, while the more expensive Comptech header doesn't have extra gains over the DC Sports.

Injen on the other hand took the shortcut approach with their CAI and used the dimensions of their RSX-S CAI to manufacture the RD CAI for the TSX. The IAT port was on the wrong side and the diameter was not tuned and caused a loss of low RPM torque. The newer SP CAI fixed these problems.

At least Toda has better quality parts with proven gains, but you'd expect them to because you are paying a premium over other brands and that they are a racing parts manufacturer unlike DC Sports, Comptech and Injen, which sell sports parts instead. JDM is not the best as well, as there are parts that are substandard, like Cusco's rollcages.

With regards to their decision to sell the full blown reflash only with their own designed I/H/E and cat is good tuning sense. Using the same reflash with off the shelf aftermarket parts is asking for trouble because the reflash is "generic". Proper tuning is different for each individual car, even if they have the same parts. Since the only choice for us is a reflash, I wouldn't want to use an aggressive tune with parts that have not been tested together with.

[yfin]

Of course there is lots of variance in quality in the market but some of the examples you are using are bottom end cheap. DC Sports is like $295US, and even the Comptech is around $500US. Compare that to Jtune at over $1200AUD for headers. I would expect top notch quailty at those sorts of prices.

If they wanted an agressive tune they could have picked the best parts already in the market and tested them all they please. That might have shaved a good 12 months of the waiting time. Then for people not using those parts sell a generic flash - like they are doing anyway.

[E-Gene]

So Aaron, are you saying that just doing the "reflash" using aftermarket parts will not show any gains?

[EUR003act]

from speaking to james, not all the power gains are in the retune, the intake is the only CAI on the market that has the pod facing forward, so the air is actually forced into the engine. also, the headers need their jtune exhaust because of the extra length. the 4 pipes which come straight off the manifold dont join together until well after the stock position. as aaronng said, the aggresive retune is only available with their full package, because thats what it is tuned to. on any other exhaust or intake the lack of air coming in or an increase in pack pressure might be dangerous to the engine. i dont by things for the name brand, i buy them for the quality, and in my opinion, something that has been in the making for 2 years solely dedicated to the Euro is a winner in my book, not just alot of high end items bolted together and slapped on.

but as i said earlier, because i already have the K&N intake and custom exhaust, im thinking i might just get TODA headers and reflash...

[EUR003act]

So Aaron, are you saying that just doing the "reflash" using aftermarket parts will not show any gains?

just to make it clear, Jtune will be doing two different reflash's for the Euro, the standard (which will give approx 10kw gain) and the extreme. the extreme is only available with the full intake/exhaust system. i think aaronng was saying that you cant get the extreme reflash with other after market products, which is correct.

[yfin]

but as i said earlier, because i already have the K&N intake and custom exhaust, im thinking i might just get TODA headers and reflash...

That combination will still be nice.

just to make it clear, Jtune will be doing two different reflash's for the Euro, the standard (which will give approx 10kw gain) and the extreme. the extreme is only available with the full intake/exhaust system. i think aaronng was saying that you cant get the extreme reflash with other after market products, which is correct.

Ahh, I see - so a base flash and a flash with all Jtune bolt ons. At one point on their web site they said there would be a one-up flash from the base - for a modified car with aftermarket intake, header, etc. Is that not happening now?