[Euro] Hondata Update

[aaronng]

Of course there is lots of variance in quality in the market but some of the examples you are using are bottom end cheap. DC Sports is like $295US, and even the Comptech is around $500US. Compare that to Jtune at over $1200AUD for headers. I would expect top notch quailty at those sorts of prices.

If they wanted an agressive tune they could have picked the best parts already in the market and tested them all they please. That might have shaved a good 12 months of the waiting time. Then for people not using those parts sell a generic flash - like they are doing anyway.

You didn't add the shipping cost of the USA headers as well. Since they have delayed the release many times because of rejecting the header samples that they received, I sure do hope that their headers are top notch. From the early pictures of the headers, it looks like racing headers (like the Toda), so the gains should already be better than the off the shelf brands like Comptech. There is nothing wrong with custom designing your own headers. Just because there are branded headers out there, doesn't mean that they are the best.

The thing is, the sum of all the best parts doesn't usually equate to the best result, at least with regards to car tuning. Instead of going for the best parts in the market, the better way would be to go for parts that complement each other. That is not easy to do unless you design your own parts to work with each other.

[aaronng]

So Aaron, are you saying that just doing the "reflash" using aftermarket parts will not show any gains?

As EUR003act said, there are 2 levels of reflash. The first is a "mild" tune, while the second is an aggressive all-out tune. The mild tune with the best parts won't make as much power as the aggressive tune with its package of parts. If you could get your hands on the aggressive tune, using it with aftermarket parts will probably risk damage to the engine.

[Drew]

After the group buy period the complete price will go up to around $4600, so you are getting a discount for waiting so long.

Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain

[yfin]

The thing is, the sum of all the best parts doesn't usually equate to the best result, at least with regards to car tuning. Instead of going for the best parts in the market, the better way would be to go for parts that complement each other. That is not easy to do unless you design your own parts to work with each other.

That is fair enough, good point.

Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain

You can boost a K24 including a tunable ECU that retains DBW, factory cruise, etc for $6100? Sounds too cheap and I think lots of people would have gone down this path if it was that sort of money.

If the quality is there $4000 for everything installed would be good. Wait and see.

[N3M3SIS]

I've seen the Jtune Header's Up Close, and they look amazing,
and with the Headers & Echaust bolted onto my car (minus Tune & CAI) it made a nice gain, and the drive was also improved, so i can't wait to see whats its like with the CAI & Tune as well.

[aaronng]

Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain

Yup, we just need that damn electronic throttle-Kpro! Come on Hondata, release it already!!!!!

[Chris_F]

I agree - I'm not swapping my current bolt ons for anything and an affordable tuneable ecu would be great

[Suntzu]

Yeah. Im also tempted to pick my bolt ons and get the Haltech interceptor which is now euro compatible according to their website.

[aaronng]

Yeah. Im also tempted to pick my bolt ons and get the Haltech interceptor which is now euro compatible according to their website.

There are quite a few interceptors in the market that support the Euro. But then again, the reason why we want the reflash/aftermarket ECU is to avoid the use of interceptors since the stock ECU will slightly alter fuel trim, and thus slightly alter your tuning. It's fine for a street tune, but when you are extracting every last kW out of your engine using 98RON, fuel trim changes can result in pinging if the stock ECU deems that the engine is running too rich (which at high RPM, highcam and advanced valve timing is usually the case).

[tony1234]

That is fair enough, good point.



You can boost a K24 including a tunable ECU that retains DBW, factory cruise, etc for $6100? Sounds too cheap and I think lots of people would have gone down this path if it was that sort of money.

If the quality is there $4000 for everything installed would be good. Wait and see.

I think it's $4000 supply only,can anyone confirm this?Cause if it's $4000 installed i'm definitely in.

[EUR003act]

From memory James said its another $500 for full install of the extreme package, that includes dyno before and after.

someone asked whether theyll do an aggresive tune for other aftermarket parts, in regards to this i dont think theyre planning on doing a third generic flash (for aftermarket parts). but im sure they could do a custom tune to suit your setup...

and people wanting to go turbo, anyone can slap on a turbo, increase the boost and get big power, but wheres the fun in that? id much rather a powerful and custom N/A car that people go "shit what have you got under you bonnet!" when you smash past their evo8

**on WSID ofcoure**

[yfin]

when you smash past their evo8

Time to wake up from your dream