[Euro] Hondata Update

[ginganggooly]

The euro1 ecu is a very complete solution and is hugely more customisable and therefore more flexible and future proof than the reflash.

you're comparing something that can be tailored to your car and it's particular configuration, to something that has been tuned by someone that you don't know, that doesn't know you, doesn't know your setup and is essentially guessing what will work...

[Zdster]

you're comparing something that can be tailored to your car and it's particular configuration, to something that has been tuned by someone that you don't know, that doesn't know you, doesn't know your setup and is essentially guessing what will work...

Its even more fundemental than that. The 'reflash' is a standardised product with limited engine parametres than say the stock ecu. If your particular engine falls outside of those parametres your $500 investment was not particularly wise.

[sodaz]

lol evo8 = 210 at the fly/180 at the wheels

K24 with jtune extreme, toda F spec cams and springs, RC 650 injectors, quad throttle body, borred out to 2.6l, with high 13.5:1 compression, maybe even stroker kit, easy putting down 200kw at the wheels

And how much will you need to spend? The Evo's greatest strength is not straight line grunt. That thing absolutely flies around corners and handles beautifully.

[mleung]

BTW - I spoke to James about 2 1/2 weeks ago and he said it'll be released 1-2 weeks, still no sign of it and $3999 wasn't installed. Apparently a few Honda dealers would be selling/installing it as well... a testament to the qualility of product.

But spending $3999.00 without more information is hard to justify.

I don't think we can really compare two essentially different cars (EVO and EURO).

The EVO is a stripped out car designed from the onset as a track car. While our EURO is a sporty family car(ok ok maybe I shouldn't use family).

For me it's not about trying to get as much power possible. But just to extract the most potential from the chassis. If I was to bolt on a turbo and boost the power of the EURO to beyond 250KW get the custom tune etc.. costing say $6000.00. I still need to consider complete coilovers, new brakes, strut bars, tower bars which would end up costing another $3500.00 just to manage the power... You also end up losing the point of the EURO in the first place... being a great and luxary car with great handling... if you want to go to that extreme you might as well buy the EVO....

For me making the car more driveable is more important and it seems to me the jTune product is taking the right approach. Not too agressive, still quite, good fuel economy, more torque where the EURO needs. Not too much power too make the car hard to live with on a daily basis. If I needed a car to drive to work everyday and go for a nice curise or drive on the weekends... this would be a good way too go... and it seems like a gower figure which won't overpower the stock chassis. At the end of the day I still want to fit my family in the car without shattering any bones on our dodgy australian roads.

Just my thoughts.

Mike.

[Zdster]

Apparently a few Honda dealers would be selling/installing it as well... a testament to the qualility of product.

I am very curious about this statement. Do you mean to say that some Honda dealerships will be selling/installing these aftermarket parts? I find this highly dubious considering:
1. the cost to the consumer
2. the potential impact on warranties and furthermore liabilities to the dealership.

Like you I am still waiting for the release of the product let alone the promise that dealerships will be selling and installing these parts. It does make you wonder however why the release date has continued to be pushed back further and further.

[mleung]

Getting the Honda dealers to buy in to the idea could be a possible reason for the delay...... as usual...... who knows.....

Until the bloody thing actually gets released.... who is to say what.

Mike

[Zdster]

Getting the Honda dealers to buy in to the idea could be a possible reason for the delay...... as usual...... who knows.....

Until the bloody thing actually gets released.... who is to say what.

Mike

Point noted, but I still find it a little hard to believe that dealers would take it on. Consider the fact that dealers wont even sell bodykits or parts from major international affiliated companies (like mugen for Honda or Nismo for Nissan) I just personally dont see it happening.

[tony1234]

I am very curious about this statement. Do you mean to say that some Honda dealerships will be selling/installing these aftermarket parts? I find this highly dubious considering:
1. the cost to the consumer
2. the potential impact on warranties and furthermore liabilities to the dealership.

Like you I am still waiting for the release of the product let alone the promise that dealerships will be selling and installing these parts. It does make you wonder however why the release date has continued to be pushed back further and further.

I know for a fact one Honda dealer that is going to run with the JTUNE gear as James has seen them.They service Subarus as well inc.STIs and they have a dyno.They are in the southern suburbs of Sydney.I don't think it's my place to name the dealer.

[Zdster]

I know for a fact one Honda dealer that is going to run with the JTUNE gear as James has seen them.They service Subarus as well inc.STIs and they have a dyno.They are in the southern suburbs of Sydney.I don't think it's my place to name the dealer.

No need to name them, but are we talking about a Honda dealership or a service centre?

[tony1234]

No need to name them, but are we talking about a Honda dealership or a service centre?

They are a multi brand dealership,sales,new and used and service including Honda of course.

[tony1234]

Meanwhile......we wait.....and wait......for the release date.

[yfin]

It is one thing for a Honda dealer to offer an aftermarket product as an agent (eg aftermarket tinting, rims, paint protection etc) but to actually honour the warranty if there is a defect caused by the aftermarket product is another thing.

That said, in the USA some Acura dealers were honouring factory warranty on Comptech aftermarket headers, intake, exhausts that were installed by an Acura dealer. So it is not unheard of.

In this case it would seem strange, however, for a dealer to honour warranty on the engine, drivetrain, etc for a Euro with modified ECU pushing out around 140kw+ at the wheels. This is particularly the case when such modifications have not been subject to Honda's strict factory testing (extreme stress, heat, cold to replicate harsh conditions and how the vehicle will stand up in the long term).