Motor Magazine (September 07)

[my_vtec77]

Hey guys,
as the author of Autofix.com.au I have to be reasonably reserved when mentioning brand names but honestly what a f*****n joke! I would love to write how much I despised working on Daewoo's and for Holden to bring out the VE and then follow up with this crap, they need their heads read. The word around the traps is that Holden has some sort of influence over Motor Magazine so don't take it too much to heart. The Euro shouldn't even be compared to the Dog Poo, I mean Daewoo. Anyway that's my 2 cents worth.

Craig

You bloody right. I knew it. Few days ago, i was reading Wheels mag about choosing wheels car of the year. How come VE is car of the year among those top rated cars like Porsche, Mercs, BMW, Honda, etc...

And VE couldn't even qualify for safety test. But Holden boss said in real life car crash wont ever happen in that kinda speed which is used in crash test. What if? Die? Those holdens killing P drivers actually.

Sorry guys if my comments harm to some personnel (Holden lovers or ...). I don't mean to. i just can't stand cheat or lies (but i like cheat codes for games thou)

[Craig]

Have a read of some of the posts on caradvice.com.au regarding the mainstream motor media, Alborz is a lot closer to the scene than I am and there is obviously some pocket lining going on.

[yfin]

And VE couldn't even qualify for safety test. But Holden boss said in real life car crash wont ever happen in that kinda speed which is used in crash test. What if? Die? Those holdens killing P drivers actually.

Not sure what you mean by `qualify` for safety rating - I think you are talking about the discussion in the article between the VE only getting a 4 star rating and not a 5 star safety rating.

What safety rating do you think the Euro has? The article goes on to say the flaws in the safety ratings tests and how they are not necessarily fair.

I would much rather be in a VE than a Euro in an accident involving another vehicle. The weight advantage is huge.

[my_vtec77]

Apparently i just talking about the mags that giving too much favor on Holdens. But that's fair enough coz local mags give favor to local cars. And I just discussing some story that came across on my mind. BTW Euro has 4-star ANCAP rating.

I would much rather be in a VE than a Euro in an accident involving another vehicle. The weight advantage is huge.

you cant compare VE and Euro coz it's different class and of coz larger car has more advantage in accident. i think better compare with Mercs E-class which has similar weight to VE. So i better be in a E-class than a VE.

[my_vtec77]

Ahh.. sorry yfin. didnt notice that you have VE. Plz dont mind that i commenting about VE.

[leechi]

Sorry guys if my comments harm to some personnel (Holden lovers or ...). I don't mean to. i just can't stand cheat or lies (but i like cheat codes for games thou)[/QUOTE]

If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying

[LXRY]

gday all, anyone notice that the euro luxury is now rated 4 Stars (under "sedans under $60k") in the Sept07 issue? it had a 5 Star rating in all the past issues, AFAIK. wonder what happened there.

These magazines gather alot of information regarding this matter alot from surveys conducted......customer satisfaction is one of the factors used to determine what rating they get also, not only quality and safety etc. etc......Car companies pay professionals to conduct surveys, hence Honda surveys...1 at 10,000klm's and another at 20,000klm's (correct me if I'm wrong).

In one way it's good for the company..so they can recognize problems, on the other well .......Wheels magazine pays for the information hehe.

To gain a five star the vehicle has to meet all criteria including customer satisfaction...

[r-r-redEuro]

well coming from yfin who did own a euro, and now is driving the VE. i back him up about what he said.

also where i work i drive many cars, and ive been in VE's alot they come by heaps
and it heavier i feel more " safe " if i got into an accident then the euro.

that is all.

but i do feel more comfortable in the euro then the VE.

[IAMVTEC]

Dude you pay too much attention.

But why is it gone down a star? its no longer 2003, this is 2007 . The standards for a car has gone up, Euro is still the same car for same price as before. Thats why.

[take_no_prisoners]

Not sure if it has already been mentioned, but Euro lux was rated 4 stars in the car liftout in fridays paper. The last edition they posted of this liftout some months ago had the lux at 5stars.

[melloy_honda]

PBL publishing is also in bed with GM!

Well thats my theory...! Totaly no substance but just a theory!

[Jaso]

Really...who cares what its rated. It's still the same car.

You bloody right. I knew it. Few days ago, i was reading Wheels mag about choosing wheels car of the year. How come VE is car of the year among those top rated cars like Porsche, Mercs, BMW, Honda, etc...

And VE couldn't even qualify for safety test. But Holden boss said in real life car crash wont ever happen in that kinda speed which is used in crash test. What if? Die? Those holdens killing P drivers actually.

Sorry guys if my comments harm to some personnel (Holden lovers or ...). I don't mean to. i just can't stand cheat or lies (but i like cheat codes for games thou)

How come it was car of the year amongst other company? Read the article...you pay top dollar for "top rated cars"

I dont agree with your comments. I think what the former Holden boss was saying was that some manufacturers engineer their cars to score 5 stars in ANCAP etc to form the basis of a marketing tool, NOT to crash as well as possible in all circumstances.