TODA headers to CL9

[BiLL|z0r]

what mod u got when u did the dyno?? was it at is motor racing? what was the figure again?

No mods bah a K&N panel filter so basically stock. Even the resonator was still installed then. It was 111.8kw atw.

Should have done it in 3rd gear because that is closest to 1.000:1.

The staff did it so I had no say in the matter.

[E-Gene]

My TODA headers and metal cat arrived late last week (after 1 1/2 months) as I ordered them during the group buy. I must say that the quality is excellent, very nice welds and just looks awesome.

Arranged to have them installed at Revzone in Nunawading today so I went this morning expecting it to be a straight bolt-on with some slight modification to the hanger (as told by Adrian @ TODA). But it didn't go as smoothly as expected.

The first thing that they noticed was that the cat supplied was a little too short and that gaskets weren't supplied either. The cat also didn't the O2 holes on the correct side. So in the end, the guys at Revzone had to weld an extra flange to the headers and cut the cat to reposition the holes and flange.

So what was meant to be a straight bolt on turned out to be a 3 over hour ordeal. But seriously the guys at Revzone were excellent.

But I must say that the product is awesome, my butt dyno could feel the car being a lot more responsive and there's a little more power on the low down. The exhaust sounds a little meaner as well.

What upsetted me about the whole thing was that I was told it was going to be a pretty staright forward install by Adrian but I'm not sure that's what I got in the end. Paid good dosh for that too.

[yfin]

^^ that is dissapointing - have you asked Toda about it? Maybe they sent you the wrong metal cat by mistake? And what did Revzone do in terms of the additional time - were you charged for that?

[E-Gene]

^^ that is dissapointing - have you asked Toda about it? Maybe they sent you the wrong metal cat by mistake? And what did Revzone do in terms of the additional time - were you charged for that?

Yup, of course I was charged for it. It was suppose to be cheaper to get them to install it cos I think TODA made a deal with them. But I was already there and my car was already on the hoist and the headers were already on. Too must hassle to wait for Adrian to return our call to confirm if it was the right cat...blah blah blah...oh well...

[EUR003act]

E-Gene youll have to keep me updated, im purchasing the TODA headers soon, so hopefully theyve sorted it out! i must say, they do take abit of time to respond... i asked them for an invoice 3weeks ago so i can pay them! but i still havent recieved anything

[E-Gene]

Well, I'm still waiting on Adrian to respond from Toda about this matter especially seeing that I've ended up paying more for the installation then I should have.

Call Adrian direct, you may get a faster response that way.

[TODA AU]

Sorry about the delay responing to this one, I've just returned from Brisbane & was unable to be easily contacted when away.

I've spoken to E-Gene regarding this & am still trying to contact RevZone for their take on the matter.
Though I must admit, I am at a loss as to why they felt the need to cut & weld the header?
The headers supplied to E-Gene were identical to those fitted to sodaz CL9

The cat is fitted to the supplied test pipe. This is done in a jig so the lengths & sensor hole orientation remains as originally supplied.
This permits the use of any Japanese CL7 aftermarket exhaust system.
(Eg: Fujitsubo - as fitted to E-Gene's CL9)
The difference between these headers & the OEM CL9 headers is as follows:
The hanger, as mentioned previously...
The leading 02 sensor is on opposite side & wires need to be lengthend.
(explained previously in this thread)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...t=72029&page=4
The rear sensor fits without issue & is located on the same side as original CL9.

This can also be seen here:

Above is CL7 with std cat fitted to Toda header.
Note: the 02 sensores are on the same side.
The CL9 leading sensor located on the opposite side to CL7 hence the wiring needs to be extended.

As fitted to CL7 for race use.
We fit a metal catalyst to this test pipe for road use as the std CL9 catalyst cannot be used with the toda CL7 header.

Hindsight being 20/20, in future we'll rotate the front section 180deg so no wiring extension will be required when these are fitted to a CL9.

Regarding the length being too short,
Without fitting the product ourselves & not having any official feedback from RevZone, it's difficult to determine why there was an issue when the product came from the same jig that produced the header fitted to sodaz car.
As such I will refrain from commenting on this at this time.

Hope that clears up any percieved problems.

[E-Gene]

Well, I do hope that we can get to the bottom of this matter cos I do believe that the TODA product is a great product (love the feel of it on my Euro). Revzone did also help me rotate the front section so that they didn't have to extend any wiring.

Well, unfortunately for me, I'm the victim here. I bought the products believing that they are a perfect fit for the car, I went to the preferred installer and you know the rest of the story...the only problem is that I ended up paying over $100 extra then I needed to.


What came in the box from Toda


The whole system. Revzone rewelded the cat to have the O2 sensors on the respective sides


The cat was about an inch off from the headers. New SS flange welded to headers extend it.


Better view of the shortfall.

[aaronng]

Looks like Revzone made a boo-boo. That part that they rewelded to rotate the sensor hole 180º is shorter than in the first pic of the pipe in the box.

[TODA AU]

Looks like Revzone made a boo-boo. That part that they rewelded to rotate the sensor hole 180º is shorter than in the first pic of the pipe in the box.

Easy, I think that call is a bit harsh considering.

Having now spoken RevZone & E-Gene
I can shed some light on what transpired.
It seems clear that the headers arrived without the donut gasket required between the header & the catalyst.
This critical piece was somehow lost in transit.
Together with myself being difficult to contact at the time,
And the customer having his car on the hoist & basically in pieces, a decision was made to alter the end of the header & make it work.
Had I been contactable, perhaps things would have worked out differently.
In any case, the donut gasket is critical in making the length together with the female flange attached to the leading edge of the test pipe / cat.
Without this gasket, there would obviously be a short fall in length.
So everyone is aware, this gasket is the same as used on the local S2000 & JDM DC2 Type R, EK9 Type R & CL7 Euro R.
It is available through the local Honda dealer network, but you need to ask for the right part. Mentioning a Euro won’t help.
The Honda part number is 18229-PCX-003

Hope that helps,
Cheers

Adrian

[aaronng]

Easy, I think that call is a bit harsh considering.

My apologies, my eyes must have been playing tricks on me. I thought the lengths were different from the pics.

[Mattski_VTIR]

The headers look great, u must be cheering! And i'm glad Adrian was able to shed some light on the situation as he has always been very helpful with any problems i have had! Just a shame i couldn't get my car to him last week while he was up in brissy Enjoy the Toda Pipes mate!