[Euro] Hondata Update

[akina]

How much are they and is it good for the long term use? or is it more for when racing i.e. track.

[EuroAccord13]

Please to not stray Off Topic...

This thread is about Hondata and not the exhaust system, if you wish to further discuss this, please start a new thread....

[tron07]

u serious!! where can i get these? any harm?

They will harm your pocket anad you will not see much improvement.

[Suntzu]

I'm thinking of ordering the mild flash and the Jtune CAI. I think I will do it. I will seehow my companies go this week sales wise and make my decision.

Ill be up for about $1300. Thats not bad for 15kw and 20nm at the wheels.

[tony1234]

I'm thinking of ordering the mild flash and the Jtune CAI. I think I will do it. I will seehow my companies go this week sales wise and make my decision.

Ill be up for about $1300. Thats not bad for 15kw and 20nm at the wheels.

That's what i'm doing.There's no point in ordering the mild flash and the CAI before Oct.14th. as there's no group buy on that and all the other stuff,only the extreme package.

[sodaz]

I'm thinking of ordering the mild flash and the Jtune CAI. I think I will do it. I will seehow my companies go this week sales wise and make my decision.

Ill be up for about $1300. Thats not bad for 15kw and 20nm at the wheels.

Keep in mind that those figures are from a hub dyno so they read a fair bit higher than roller dynos.

[Suntzu]

Im basing it on the reference stock flash on the same dyno so comparative differences should be the same.

Tony, there is a Pre-order price on the mild flash see http://www.jtune.com.au/order.php so it needs to be ordered before Oct 15.

[sodaz]

Im basing it on the reference stock flash on the same dyno so comparative differences should be the same.

Tony, there is a Pre-order price on the mild flash see http://www.jtune.com.au/order.php so it needs to be ordered before Oct 15.

If the dyno figures in general are reading higher then so will the increase figures. I can't wait when people actually get it and put it on different dynos for comparison.

[Pumped]

I was originally looking at the extreme package but i think now ill order just the mild flash and see how it goes with my current setup.

therefore long term i dont need to touch the computer to put my standard equipment back on if i chose to change cars.

Can't see myself keeping the euro long enough to get satisfaction out of the additional $3500 cost out of the package at this stage

More interested in the lowering of the vtec point

[Lukey13]

I'm quite interested in getting the mild flash for my '07 Euro given that I salary package a new car every few years and it's far more tax effective for me to just spend more tax-free dollars on a higher-spec vehicle (rather than spending >$4K fully taxed on Extreme package).

However, the dyno results on the Jtune site do not look very inspiring for the mild tune. In fact, it appears that the addition of the Jtune CAI (which surely couldn't have much more gain than any other available on the market currently) makes just as much difference as the reflash.

And judging from the overall effect of a CAI on performance, the mild flash seems a bit too "mild" perhaps. I wonder whether the previous idea of having an intermediate flash was better.

Either:
A. The mild flash has been made "too mild" in order to encourage sales of the Extreme package which is without doubt the money maker for Jtune.
or
B. The website dynos have been manipulated (as any dyno can be - and don't forget the stock Euro on the site comes up with over 120kw at the hubs!) in order to make the IHE package look far more attractive than the mild flash.

I'm hoping (especially when I most likely order the mild reflash) that option B is correct, and that the mild flash and drop in Vtec to 5K makes a fair bit of difference to driveability.

My other thoughts on the Jtune stuff are:

1. The lack of sound clips of the exhaust system are concerning as even a poorly recorded clip will provide some comparison of stock to modified.

2. The Extreme package does sound fantastic. With Vtec being at 3 and a bit K RPM, the thought of being able to launch in Vtec and never getting out of it is pretty exciting. I have no doubt that fuel economy would be shocking, but I'm sure people spending $4K on mods won't care less.

[sodaz]

Here's my speculative take on the dyno figures:

Fact: We know that a stock Euro makes 140kw at the crank.

The hub dyno (Dynapack) reads 125kw atw and a roller dyno like Dyno Dynamics reads around 105kw. The hub dyno reads around 19% higher in this instance.

Since the extreme package makes 158.3kw on the hub dyno, my guess is it'll make around 135kw on a roller dyno. Without ECU flashing, it'll be making around 125kw (148kw on the hub dyno) - which is pretty much the same as installing good aftermarket I/H/E parts.

As for the mild reflash + intake package, it should be making around 112kw atw on a roller dyno (132kw on the hub). The reflash itself will not improve peak power much - probably only around 2-3kw peak (roller) but it will boost power by as much as 8-9kw before VTEC, exactly where the power dip occurs for the stock Euro.

Note: These are just guess figures.

[BusterSonic12]

^ that's how i feel !!!