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 Originally Posted by markCivicVti
Alright I'm done keeping silent when IAMVTEC keeps posting crap.
1. "Don't get coilovers cos it ruins ride comfort".. yet you suggest springs.. riiiight.
2. Sif get springs you fool if you want to be able to adjust ride height and not be stuck with one ride height.
3. We're talking about coilovers not freakin airRunners/air suspension.. its not exactly perfomance-only stuff here... get over it.
Other here suggest getting coilovers even if u only want to lower your ride height.. so you don't have to keep buying springs till you get the height you want.. and then when the springs sag you can restart the freakin process again.
Fine, you want my truthful opinion? I think lowering a street car, especially a family sedan is idiotic. I see these low cars around and all I can think of is that the owner of the car has an even lower IQ than his cars ride height. You are compromising your ride quality and ability to go into driveways and ramps just to look like a knuckle dragging hoon ape.
But I try keep this opinion off this subforum because I dont want to offend other civic owners. But since you got offended anyway thats what I think.
Why I suggest springs? If youre gonna do something stupid, as least minimise your losses financially. PERIOD
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hmmm asmuch as i love the fights...i have one thing to say.......does everybody else get a shitload of OVERSTEER!?
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"I think lowering a street car, especially a family sedan is idiotic. I see these low cars around and all I can think of is that the owner of the car has an even lower IQ than his cars ride height."
For me there are two reasons:
-Cosmetic/aesthetics. Yes I want my car to look good. (not insanely low)
-Handling. Lower center of gravity = better handling.
You say minimise financial loss but this isn't true. The intial payment is smaller, but you WILL have to replace your shocks. Also many people want to change their ride height sooner or later.. so new springs. Also then after a while (pending on brand) you might have to replace the springs after they start sagging.
Not saying don't do springs... but if you can afford/wait-for it, then get coilovers.. they will save you money in the mid-long term. Don't forget extra tyre wear on negative camber!
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Originally Posted by JaCe
... Where the difference is far more noticeable is the varying qualities of replica grilles which I've mentioned numerous times on OH!
thats a different story, ive seen the differences in the grilles... fit seems to be a real issue with them
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Originally Posted by JaCe
Well I guess it might just be in the head... but from my experience with both replica and genuine wing, I can feel that the genuine wing has more weight at the bottom/sides, and the top bit is quite light... but in the replica, it felt as if the whole thing was about the same, as if they had taken the genuine wing, made a perfect replica mould of it, but not copied any of the engineering/weight distribution/etc... of course it's probably only going to have a marginal effect (if any), but just a thought. Where the difference is far more noticeable is the varying qualities of replica grilles which I've mentioned numerous times on OH!
Anyway no point debating this as I'm not an expert on this.. but I just feel that some parts, it's best to go genuine. That, and I think replica pedals do not add value.
lols... probably right there john.
I came back after 1 day and missed 3 pages of fun... I guess everyone has their opinions on Replica/Genuine... I personally would never get Genuine Aero parts, I really don't see the point.
But Jace, just would like to point out to you that there is no way that in the world that you could be experiencing the extra downforce generated by the wing (Unless you do tracking on high speed tracks), IIRC, you need at least 180kph to start generating the downforce created by the Wing, I would believe it is more for cosmetic purposes and therefore if they made it look exactly the same, it is fine by me  .
I would just like to point out one more thing about the coilovers, In my case, you might need to actually use coilovers and not king springs when your running a 17" rim with 38 offset and 225 width tyres, corner very hard and even the bodyroll will generate fender rub
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Originally Posted by andyhui01
I came back after 1 day and missed 3 pages of fun... I guess everyone has their opinions on Replica/Genuine... I personally would never get Genuine Aero parts, I really don't see the point.
But Jace, just would like to point out to you that there is no way that in the world that you could be experiencing the extra downforce generated by the wing (Unless you do tracking on high speed tracks), IIRC, you need at least 180kph to start generating the downforce created by the Wing, I would believe it is more for cosmetic purposes and therefore if they made it look exactly the same, it is fine by me .
What you said is very true, but (many pages back I mentioned this too) I've also seen what happens with a very poorly designed wing. I'm more worried that should one reach high speeds, it's not so much the lack of (or increased) downforce, but rather, just the sheer excess weight of a wing/spoiler can crush the bootlid. My cousin's FairladyZ's bootlid was totally crushed due to the wing being excessively heavy (over time obviously) and we had to replace the whole bootlid and do some significant bodywork (which was incentive to get a new bodykit and wing).
BEFORE:
AFTER:
I'm not sure if you guys have had to remove the Honda OEM Spoiler from the Civic yet, but when BK was removing mine, just lifting it off and fighting the super strong adhesive, I could see the bootlid begin to bend/shape... which was a VERY SCARY thing to see. Luckily nothing was actualy damaged, but if you've ever done workshop in school (aka metalshop? DT?) or even played with bunsens and plastic in Science, you begin to see the same "twisting" of the material and worry that the white lines will appear. I am not a science expert or anything, but I was actually very worried that something bad might happen to my bootlid. In conclusion, I was worried the bootlid wasn't too strong and thus, a poorly designed (excessively overweight) wing could also crush that too.
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^never thought of it that way... but jace, that is the result of too much top speed runs on the NS Highway in Malaysia :P
I've seen that car before on the NS Highway... does it go to KL often?
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Yeh, the Civic boot is very weak...I have a spare wing at home i use as a foot rest now coz its so bloody heavy and woulda crushed my boot.
Should not have bothered with anything generic or fake. Pay a bit more for peace of mind.
Altho this does not apply for stickers. coz either way they make ur car faster. XD
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How much would they cost?
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hey tk, can you explain if the third wire controls the LED and CCFL? Or is it LEDs only?
Possible to wire it up without the third wire? What comes on when you turn park lights on without the third wire connected?
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