We just may get the JDM CTR in Australia.

[Philip Lee]

All i can say is, if only things were so simple...
I drove the nugget on the weekend, and it couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. A performance car this thing isn't.

mmm fair enough.

i drove my fd's stock DC2R a few weeks ago (the 1st time i ever drove a DC2R) and it felt slower than a FN2R but it's more hardcore definitely.

anyone have times for AU DC2R and AU DC5R?

[Philip Lee]

I reckon they should bring a few in as showroom or test drive cars and ship ordered cars in as required. That way, Honda Aus' overheads won't be as high.

i dunno about cost of ADR and marketing but doing it this way seems like quite a big risk on losing $$. say if they have to pay those fixed costs and ended up selling only a few.

if they have a set number in a batch, at least they can priced the car accordingly.

[ginganggooly]

mmm fair enough.

i drove my fd's stock DC2R a few weeks ago (the 1st time i ever drove a DC2R) and it felt slower than a FN2R but it's more hardcore definitely.

anyone have times for AU DC2R and AU DC5R?

I haven't driven a stock dc2r for a very long time, but i recall it impressing me with the shove (about 4 years ago), and i had a 14.3 sec vti-r at the time. Back to back, it felt to be about the same, or maybe even a tad quicker...

I still don't know of any FN2's at the drag strip, but i'd hazard a guess that they'd run a flat 15 to high 14...

[Philip Lee]

I still don't know of any FN2's at the drag strip, but i'd hazard a guess that they'd run a flat 15 to high 14...

a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.

[ginganggooly]

a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.

Yep, high 14's-low 15's then

[andyhui01]

a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.

The FN2R was designed by Honda's UK Division to place Hot Hatch into the market, if they do this... they need a well established name, hence they just slapped on a typeR badge instead of naming it a sporty civic to gain the attention of the Hot Hatch Buyers, most of them grew through the EK9 and DC2R era. Incase you didn't know, Europeans love Hot Hatches (Golf GTi, Astra SRiT, Megane Sport... etc).

But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.

I'm not saying the FN2R is a shit car... it drives a crap load better than a regular FD and is on par with many hot hatches on the market, but it isn't a fully bred typeR like how a typeR is meant to be. Remember, Hot Hatches are supposed to be quick, for zippy around country roads, but not on tracks.

If you asked me honestly, I would think the FN2R is not worthy of the real typeR badge if it was defined under the Japanese way.

[FN2TypeR]

But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.

but it isn't a fully bred typeR like how a typeR is meant to be.

If you asked me honestly, I would think the FN2R is not worthy of the real typeR badge if it was defined under the Japanese way.

Prove it. Don't just say it. Opinions are meaningless if you can't support it.

What is the definition of the "japanese way"?

[markCivicVti]

Alright... no opinions everybody. Apparently they are meaningless without a proper analysis of recorded data.

Opinions are meaningless if you can't support it.

Thats just your opinion!


IMO FD2R>FN2R>crap

So yeah... FN2R owners don't worry, you have nice cars, we want one yadda yadda yadda.

[Nepolian]

You guys sit here and spill crap about how the FN2R is crap and FD2R is god almighty. Do you realise that if the FD2R did come to Aus? I honestly think none of you guy here would buy it!

Just accept the fact that the FN2R was made a "Type R" and deal with it. Just because it doesnt fit the criterior of a "Type R" 15 years ago does not make it a piece of shit nor does it make it any less of a Type R. Things change!!

These days the market is dominated by 40k - 50k cars and Honda have to be competitive.

Have any of you guys driven a Type R other than maybe a DC2R?? I bet not.

I however have driven a FD2R whilst I was in malaysia, and dead set, it is not all that you make it out to be. My stock EP3R would give it a run on the streets.

All comparisons are made at the track etc....fair enough. But remember howmany people go to the track for the FD2R to take its advantage??

IMO Honda did not bring the FD2R to Australia due to the fact that people who have 40K + to spend on a car would not buy it. And the dreamers who want to buy it is just that. If I was to buy a track car and had over 40Ks to spend, I'd buy a STI or EVO anyday.

I understand both sides of the argument, but stop crapping on the people who actually have FN2Rs they like it they buy it. Unfortunately for you slackers it is again a "Type R".

We are all enthusiasts of Hondas and share that, not bag each other. We dont go bagging so poor kid about his riced up breeze do we??

Thats my very big 2c worth!!

[[RSX 03]]

The R stands for Racing.

[Philip Lee]

I however have driven a FD2R whilst I was in malaysia, and dead set, it is not all that you make it out to be. My stock EP3R would give it a run on the streets.

so how does FD2R and EP3R compare? would love to know.

IMO Honda did not bring the FD2R to Australia due to the fact that people who have 40K + to spend on a car would not buy it. And the dreamers who want to buy it is just that. If I was to buy a track car and had over 40Ks to spend, I'd buy a STI or EVO anyday.

to be honest with you, if FD2r comes here i'd buy one if it's not much more expensive than FN2R. purely because it's 4drs as i have to drive around the kids. FN2 is acceptable as it's spacious but the extra doors would seal the deal.

[aaronng]

But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.

Have you brought the FN2R to the track?