We just may get the JDM CTR in Australia.

**Philip Lee** · 12-11-2007 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...

err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....

**IAMVTEC** · 12-11-2007 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Philip Lee

honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.

http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/

Putting a baby in a Type R? Do that on Sydney roads and your baby will be brain damaged before he can say his first word.

**gumbii** · 12-11-2007 03:56 PM

dont know much about baby seats but dont they need to be put in the middle of the back seats?

i thought fn2r was 4 seater

Originally Posted by Philip Lee

err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....

**andyhui01** · 12-11-2007 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Philip Lee

this is the Japanese philiosphy, which is quite different to that for European unfortunately or fortunately depends on how hard/soft you want your car to be.

the Euro EP3R was quite a different car to the JDM EP3R ie. no recaro, no LSD and less power. the FN2R just followed on from the euro spec EP3R.

That is my point... which is why I don't think the FN2R is a fully bred typeR. I just think the europeans should have started their hot-hatch trend with another name. But obviously that would be stupid considering how popular and well respected the typeR badge already is.

aarong, my point was that if you read the ads or comparisons on the UK magazines (Evo and Top Gear), they review and advertise the typeR as a Hot Hatch, whereas the Japanese advertise the typeR as a track car. Both Hot Hatches and Track Cars are quick, but they are so different and the typeR's are supposed to be cars you can drive straight off the dealers and onto the track (which isn't how the UK has been advertising and marketing the FN2R).

My point is a Honda CRV in the UK is a crossover utility vehicle and despite the different variants, when it is in Australia, Japan, anywhere in the world, it is a crossover utility vehicle. It isn't a Sedan in the UK and a Crossover here is it? So why is it different for the typeR? the TypeR is now a Hot Hatch in Europe and AUS and a Track Car in Japan.

For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.

**Philip Lee** · 12-11-2007 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by IAMVTEC

Putting a baby in a Type R? Do that on Sydney roads and your baby will be brain damaged before he can say his first word.

sorry i don't live in sydney....

Originally Posted by gumbii

dont know much about baby seats but dont they need to be put in the middle of the back seats?

i thought fn2r was 4 seater

there is no requirement on where u have to put it except:
- not at front seat if there is an airbag;
- not at positions where there is no direct fixing point.

in practice, many people place the child seat on the left rear seat as it's easier to load and unload from the kerb.

**Philip Lee** · 12-11-2007 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by andyhui01

My point is a Honda CRV in the UK is a crossover utility vehicle and despite the different variants, when it is in Australia, Japan, anywhere in the world, it is a crossover utility vehicle. It isn't a Sedan in the UK and a Crossover here is it? So why is it different for the typeR? the TypeR is now a Hot Hatch in Europe and AUS and a Track Car in Japan.

but Type R isn't a model. it's a spec within a model. and different markets have different specs for the same model of car although they may use the same term which is "type r" in this instance.

you have to realise Honda is selling the Type R as a ROAD registerable car. and the requirement for different markets are just different.

people in Europe travel long distance like us and they (we) demand comfort (relative) and features that are useful for street driving. while Japan has excellent public transport system and it can be uneconomical to drive a car for long distance due to crazy toll charges they have over there.

also can you imagine a manufacturer selling a 40k car in Australia with dual air bags?? media like Wheels will ask for head of the boss of Honda Aus.

i also wonder how many stars FD2R has for NACP.

Originally Posted by andyhui01

For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.

again the market in Singapore is different and is unlikely to be the same here.

**aaronng** · 12-11-2007 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Philip Lee

honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.

http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/

Ahhh, I see. I stand corrected. Imagine the potential of starting the kids from young.

**locote** · 12-11-2007 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by ginganggooly

Yep, high 14's-low 15's then

There was a FN2R at the track a few weeks ago..
I lined him up him my EG a couple of times...
best he managed was 14.9, i think he just ahd a catbakc exhaust...
From the word go i was infront and pulling away...
Too heavy of a car

**Nighthawk** · 12-11-2007 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Philip Lee

err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....

Nothing wrong with it. I meant when I was looking through the official CTR accessories brochure I said "can I get a Type-R baby seat as a factory option?".

I was kidding at the time but obviously in Japan there was one released.

**Nighthawk** · 12-11-2007 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by andyhui01

For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.

That is one big thing driving the demand for the FN2R though, the fact that in AUS you can't get the FD2R. If they were both on sale here from Honda dealers then sure we could compare which sells better locally and which is more popular, even if they were in different price brackets. But Honda Australia seem very reluctant to compete in the sports car market here anymore.

And that is the bigger picture. They've stopped selling the Prelude, stopped selling the Integra (even as a limited listing of just Type R or Type S), they hardly market the S2000 (and barely seem to sell many anymore), and even the FN2R they are shipping in limited numbers.

So if Honda Australia don't really want to play in the sports car market (because they don't think they can do the quantity and make enough money there), I seriously doubt they will consider bringing the JDM CTR to AUS based on their current philosophy.

**Philip Lee** · 12-11-2007 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

So if Honda Australia don't really want to play in the sports car market (because they don't think they can do the quantity and make enough money there), I seriously doubt they will consider bringing the JDM CTR to AUS based on their current philosophy.

it's not Honda Aust's fault for no prelude/integra tho.

also the problem with S2k isn't Australia alone. i don't think they still sell a lot anywhere.

**aaronng** · 12-11-2007 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

I wonder if you can get it here in Aus? I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...at least they have serious options in Japan!

Even if you could score one of the 300 seats, would you trust a non-ADR tested seat?

I'd rather a Recaro:

http://www.recaro.com/index.php?id=646&region=1&L=2