[Euro] Hondata Update

**tony1234** · 09-01-2008 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by yfin

There are posts from September 2007 during the pre-order where members are saying parts will be ready in 6 to 10 weeks.

So now Merlin you are advised of more delays? What does that make it - March 2008, or at least 6 months after the preorder?

I just can't understand how this is possible.

I agree.I'm trying to remain positive regarding the Jtune gear but they're not giving us much to remain positive about!!!

**Lukey13** · 10-01-2008 06:34 AM

Having sent my ECU off for reflashing on Monday I spoke to Jtune on Wednesday and they advised they still hadn't done the reflash but indicated it should be done on Thursday. I hope so as going without a car from Sunday through until Friday is a hassle.

**Merlin086** · 10-01-2008 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Lukey13

Having sent my ECU off for reflashing on Monday I spoke to Jtune on Wednesday and they advised they still hadn't done the reflash but indicated it should be done on Thursday. I hope so as going without a car from Sunday through until Friday is a hassle.

Good luck, I sent mine by overnight last Thursdayto arrive by Monday, and will apparently be posted today, Thursday. Four days for a reflash....hmmmm?

I expected to be running the extreme prototype for about a month from Nov.24 before the final production parts were fitted, now it looks like closer to 4 months.

But I can't drive around much anyway because of the 102db, shame they forgot to make it legal. After contacting the EPA I was advised that the limit for the 03-05 model is 90 and for the 06> is 82 db. However James tells me that the prototype muffler inserts have been developed now after voicing my concerns after I did the db test to EPA requirements.
Apparently it is much quieter now, but for a product supposedly ready to go after 2.5yrs developement, there has been far too many further delays, along with critical factors overlooked, such as legality.

A case of too many eggs in the basket?...or simply poor business decisions combined with too much talking up?

I'm looking forward to driving my car again when it doesn't feel like I'm driving in a drum on wheels.
Love the power and torque, but the noise is way too much after a short period in the car,once the initial novelty has worn off.

**EUR003act** · 10-01-2008 07:36 AM

i dont know about NSW, but i thought in ACT that the legal requirement was 96db... and thats measured at 1m from the exhaust tip at 4500rpm...

82db is very quiet? i mean, i normal conversation is like 75db... im not saying your wrong, cause youve researched it, but it just seems realy low...

**Merlin086** · 10-01-2008 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by EUR003act

i dont know about NSW, but i thought in ACT that the legal requirement was 96db... and thats measured at 1m from the exhaust tip at 4500rpm...

82db is very quiet? i mean, i normal conversation is like 75db... im not saying your wrong, cause youve researched it, but it just seems realy low...

It is governed federally by the EPA, not sure about individual state requirements.

However I believe that the EPA would over-ride any state legislation.

To EPA standards it is measured at exhaust tip level or a minimum of .2m at a distance 0f .5m at a 45deg angle @4350rpm (for the Euro)

And yeh, my stomach growls louder than 82db..that's a ridiculously low level to meet. I intend to fit a Apexi ECV (just arrived @$225)to quieten down a further 10db for stealth mode.....

**tony1234** · 10-01-2008 08:10 AM

The things i hear from Lukey and Merlin re:delays on reflash and so on make me reluctant to get even the reflash.

**aaronng** · 10-01-2008 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Merlin086

It is governed federally by the EPA, not sure about individual state requirements.

However I believe that the EPA would over-ride any state legislation.

To EPA standards it is measured at exhaust tip level or a minimum of .2m at a distance 0f .5m at a 45deg angle @4350rpm (for the Euro)

And yeh, my stomach growls louder than 82db..that's a ridiculously low level to meet. I intend to fit a Apexi ECV (just arrived @$225)to quieten down a further 10db for stealth mode.....

The each state has its own EPA department. I can't find a website or any mention of an EPA department in the federal government...

From NSW EPA, it's 90dB now (used to be 92dB 1-2 years ago).

**tinkerbell** · 10-01-2008 09:02 AM

it is governed in NSW by: Department of Environment and Climate Change

via: Protection of the Environment Operations (Noise Control) Regulation 2000

Subdivision 1 Motor vehicles

13 Use of motor vehicles on road

(1) A person must not cause or permit a motor vehicle to be used on a road if the motor vehicle is capable of emitting noise at a level in excess of the maximum noise level specified in Schedule 1 for that kind of motor vehicle.

noise limits:

Schedule 1 Prescribed noise levels of classes of motor vehicles

Motor car
Any engine
Any mass
Any height

Before 1 January 1983 - 96dB(A)
On or after 1 January 1983 - 90dB(A)

testing proceedures:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fr...2000+sch.2+0+N

aarong - it never used to be 92dB

Merlin - the 80dB is the new FEDERAL adr compliance requirement, i.e. cars built after 06 must be designed to be 80dB...

and all cars complianced to ADR's must remain compliant, despite the NSW legislation beign contradictory... (at this stage)

**tinkerbell** · 10-01-2008 09:04 AM

the new 06+ requirements are detailed here in ADR83:

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/mana...5?OpenDocument

ADR83 replaced the previous ADR28, which is detailed here:

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/mana...9?OpenDocument

**Seiken** · 10-01-2008 09:31 AM

I'm having the same issue as well with the reflash and i had it sent off last week....these guys are absolutely f...king hopeless and told everyone that it would be a 24 hour turnaround on their own forums. The flash according to them take approx 1 hour.....

Emails don't even get answered when I ask about it, yet any other inquiry about purchases get answered within like an hour or so......

I needed my car for work and it'll be a week without it from tomorrow...

If you are gonna purchase anything from these guys, don't expect anything on time which you might have already deduced from this entire thread with all the delays and stuff.....

Here's hoping that i would get it back this week, but i ain't counting my chickens.....

**Pumped** · 10-01-2008 11:08 AM

I think all the negative feedback on there lack of service, the fact they dont write back to my emails and the constant lies about release date just really puts the nail in the coffin for me.

Im over waiting

Time for a new car me thinks