[Euro] Hondata Update

[Lukey13]

Just got off the phone from James at Jtune and there's a big problem...

Unfortunately the reflashing equipment has been "frying" ECUs during reflash - two test ones and a customer's one.

James has offered to send back ECUs immediately and make arrangements for new equipment to be used in about 4 weeks.

Looks like the Civic FN2 reflashes are working ok.

[johnprocter]

loool who would of thought that the FN2 ones would be finished b4 the euro ones

[Merlin086]

Merlin086 - Are you happy with how your car performs or not?

Very happy with how the car performs, but the noise level within the car is unbearable after a very short period.
Subsequently I have driven only about 1,000k's in the past 8 weeks instead of my usual 5,000k's over that period, due to the noise level inside and out.

I too was of the belief that it would meet ADR's, having read the Hondatech website.
Obviously they got so rapped up in the dyno figures thay forgot to make it legal.

That having been said, and remembering that I am running the production prototype, I advised James of the db level shortly after installation, and he has told me he has had inserts manufactured for the mufflers which have apparently reduced the noise level considerably.

My understanding prior to installation was that it was the pre-production kit that was being installed on my car but has turned out to be the semi-final prototype. I have some serious harmonics happening in my car almost right through the rev range, but I personally believe this is due to the prototype headers being too short and I believe is too close and vibrating on the crossmember, although this has been apparently rectified by lengthening the header pipes for the production run.

My expected 4-6 week wait for replacement parts to make my car reasonably quiet inside and out will likely be 4 months.

It has been marketed as completed project but it appears far from it, but I supposed it should have been expected considering documented delays.

Probably my ECU that got fried...........

[yfin]

Just got off the phone from James at Jtune and there's a big problem...

Unfortunately the reflashing equipment has been "frying" ECUs during reflash - two test ones and a customer's one.

Alright fair enough... but why is this only discovered now? If you look at post #1 to this thread they were calling for "test vehicles" in May 2005.

With all the test vehicles and all the R&D since that time, surely such a critical aspect of the actual tune (ie the actual flash process itself) would have been tested a long time ago.

[ok2]

Alright fair enough... but why is this only discovered now? If you look at post #1 to this thread they were calling for "test vehicles" in May 2005.

With all the test vehicles and all the R&D since that time, surely such a critical aspect of the actual tune (ie the actual flash process itself) would have been tested a long time ago.

While all the delays certainly raise some questions with their manufacturing and/or business approach this latest one could just be a piece of equipment that has gone bad (assuming that it is not the same as used for the other ECUs).

Wonder what the story is the poor guy whose ECU was fried i.e. are Jtune going to replace it (including reprogramming of keys) or he out of pocket ?

[sodaz]

Unfortunately the reflashing equipment has been "frying" ECUs during reflash - two test ones and a customer's one.

James has offered to send back ECUs immediately and make arrangements for new equipment to be used in about 4 weeks.

All the delays and hype and now this....That's enough info for me not to get the reflash. Case closed.

[Omotesando]

I think if they guarantee that your ECU wouldn't get fried (afterall its bloody hot these days, certainly makes electronics more susceptible to frying), then there wouldn't be a problem.

It just seems like too many problems at once though..

[tony1234]

All the delays and hype and now this....That's enough info for me not to get the reflash. Case closed.

Yeah,me too.

[TODA AU]

Very happy with how the car performs, but the noise level within the car is unbearable after a very short period.
Subsequently I have driven only about 1,000k's in the past 8 weeks instead of my usual 5,000k's over that period, due to the noise level inside and out.

I too was of the belief that it would meet ADR's, having read the Hondatech website.
Obviously they got so rapped up in the dyno figures thay forgot to make it legal.

That having been said, and remembering that I am running the production prototype, I advised James of the db level shortly after installation, and he has told me he has had inserts manufactured for the mufflers which have apparently reduced the noise level considerably.

My understanding prior to installation was that it was the pre-production kit that was being installed on my car but has turned out to be the semi-final prototype. I have some serious harmonics happening in my car almost right through the rev range, but I personally believe this is due to the prototype headers being too short and I believe is too close and vibrating on the crossmember, although this has been apparently rectified by lengthening the header pipes for the production run.

My expected 4-6 week wait for replacement parts to make my car reasonably quiet inside and out will likely be 4 months.

It has been marketed as completed project but it appears far from it, but I supposed it should have been expected considering documented delays.

Probably my ECU that got fried...........

Really?
So you're happy & though your system is a prototype that you just had to have & not the finnished product, you feel like complaining anyway just for the sake of it.?
And a production replacement is comming to sort the noise out at no additional charge, yet here you are with all manner of negative comment?
You know your system is not the system refered to on the website but pretend you were somehow mislead???
Seriously, If it were upto me, I'd tell you to enjoy a cup of concrete.


As for the equipment failing,
Guys... Shit happens. It will be sorted, but shit happens.
Fair dinkum, you lot are going on like a bunch of little girls.
Think about it.


& don't start a shit fight over my comments.
It's nothing personal, just a reality check.

[EuroAccord13]

R & D testing of prototypes does obviously involve product failures and such. I understand the situation as I myself have been involed in numourous testing of prototypes in my previous rides that I have owned... There were successes as well as failures....

Mr. Honda himself said "Sucess is 99% failure"

If the prototype R&D works, good but in most cases, failures do happen, it's part and parcel of R&D.. We need failures to find the problem so we can solve it.....

[BiLL|z0r]

Failures are part of everyday and I think we all accept that.

Merlins gripe is the car is ILLEGAL to drive. Will JTune foot his defect bills? I doubt it. At no stage was Merlin told that the system will be perfect but legally for road use is important. If he had an accident (or worse) and his car wasn't legal then I would hate to be in Jtunes shoes.

I've riden in Merlin's car for several straight hours (as a potential customer) and to be honest I was put off the whole thing simply because of noise. Power was great but what's the point. The prototype is still there for the public to see, experience and HEAR. It may do more harm then good.

I'm sure Merlin accepted the prototype as was under the impression a final product wasn't too far away. Now we all know how good Jtune are with time frames and dead lines. I'm sure they are all nice people and very experienced but it seems to me they need to concentrate on current projects before taking on more and more and giving unrealistic deadlines. There are only so many hours in the day after all. I could be wrong but that's at least the impression that is given.

[yfin]

Really?
So you're happy & though your system is a prototype that you just had to have & not the finnished product, you feel like complaining anyway just for the sake of it.?
And a production replacement is comming to sort the noise out at no additional charge, yet here you are with all manner of negative comment?
You know your system is not the system refered to on the website but pretend you were somehow mislead???
Seriously, If it were upto me, I'd tell you to enjoy a cup of concrete.

As for the equipment failing,
Guys... Shit happens. It will be sorted, but shit happens.
Fair dinkum, you lot are going on like a bunch of little girls.
Think about it.

& don't start a shit fight over my comments.
It's nothing personal, just a reality check.

Merlin is a customer who is paying for all this. He says expected replacement parts would be 4 to 6 weeks. Now likely to be 4 months. Do you really think he needs a reality check? The noise is also unbearable - that is his experience - it isn't complaining just for the sake of it.

Of course equipment fails, etc. But it is unfair for you to have a go at Merlin and everyone else (the girls comment).

And are you commenting here because you are a dealer of the product (according to the Jtune website)? Or are you commenting because you genuinely believe Merlin is being unrealistic?

Members have been crying out for real customer experiences with this product for some time. Now we have some real world experiences posted and the dealers don't like the comments? You would have remained silent if Merlin had a glowing review.