[Euro] Hondata Update

[Merlin086]

Really?
So you're happy & though your system is a prototype that you just had to have & not the finnished product, you feel like complaining anyway just for the sake of it.?
And a production replacement is comming to sort the noise out at no additional charge, yet here you are with all manner of negative comment?
You know your system is not the system refered to on the website but pretend you were somehow mislead???
Seriously, If it were upto me, I'd tell you to enjoy a cup of concrete.


As for the equipment failing,
Guys... Shit happens. It will be sorted, but shit happens.
Fair dinkum, you lot are going on like a bunch of little girls.
Think about it.


& don't start a shit fight over my comments.
It's nothing personal, just a reality check.

Perhaps I should add a few quotes from the Hondatech site :-
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"Our JTUNE exhaust system is designed to be quiet but producing maximum gains in power, drive ability and fuel economy."

"Sadly in today’s world gone are the days of loud exhaust systems as the law is being more and more tough, these days people opted for stealth installations. Our system has a few major primary goals, maximum power, in both mid range and up top, maximum drive ability, and increase fuel economy and most of all not overly louder than stock"

"All the Jtune equipment will be fully ADR37 tested and certified for both sound and emissions, making the upgrades legal within Australia. Final results of the performance increase will be released along side of the product release"
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If you installed the system on someone's car leading them to believe it legal and they came back with a massive fine, and a defect notice.....I suppose you would tell them to.... enjoy a cup of concrete.

I suppose the point I am making is that I have a 50k car now that I can't drive cause someone forgot to consider legal issues....and I have paid $4,450 for a prototype having been told it was the finished product except for tailpipe diameter and rear bracket.
I was told my ECU would be 2 weeks and final parts would be 5 weeks.
ECU has been 7 weeks so far still waiting, supposed to be back today.
Was told on Wednesday that final parts will be another maybe 2 months making 16 weeks.
However, on the hondatech site another customer has just had the extreme kit fitted to his car with, I assume, the modified headers and muffler inserts.
I must comment that as a paying customer I feel let down that I will have to wait another 2 months for my car to be driveable while modified parts are being installed on new customers cars.

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[sodaz]

Also keep in mind that when the quiet tips are installed it will also reduce the power output. The Comptech exhaust with quiet tips in barely outperforms (1-2hp or something) the stock setup so I would expect the same to happen to the Jtune system. The website promised a street legal product but before James got complaints from us he didn't even think of developing quiet tips. So if we didn't say anything the system will be released and installed as if it's legal. No one would suspect anything until they got pulled over by a cop and defected.

It's quite clear that this indicates that no proper noise related testing was done during development.

Things can go wrong during development (which is why they had test cars) but I expect the final product to be reliable. If they fry my ECU during reflashing who's going to pay for the replacement? Can you imagine the inconvenience and frustration that can arise from that? Imagine not being able to drive your car for a long time while waiting for a new ECU.

[Merlin086]

Also keep in mind that when the quiet tips are installed it will also reduce the power output. The Comptech exhaust with quiet tips in barely outperforms (1-2hp or something) the stock setup so I would expect the same to happen to the Jtune system. The website promised a street legal product but before James got complaints from us he didn't even think of developing quiet tips. So if we didn't say anything the system will be released and installed as if it's legal. No one would suspect anything until they got pulled over by a cop and defected.

It's quite clear that this indicates that no proper noise related testing was done during development.

Things can go wrong during development (which is why they had test cars) but I expect the final product to be reliable. If they fry my ECU during reflashing who's going to pay for the replacement? Can you imagine the inconvenience and frustration that can arise from that? Imagine not being able to drive your car for a long time while waiting for a new ECU.

In actual fact it would be illegal to take it down a drag strip in NSW which I understand have a limit of 95db, although measured in a different way to EPA requirements.

[aaronng]

In actual fact it would be illegal to take it down a drag strip in NSW which I understand have a limit of 95db, although measured in a different way to EPA requirements.

I think it's 95dB to the spectator stand. With other tracks, it's similar, measured to the edge of the track fencing. So you can be very much louder than the EPA's 90dB @ 1 meter.

Edit: For Winton, it's 95dB measured at 30metres from the track edge.

[Pumped]

Might be a stupid question but how the crap do top fuellers run then lol

[tony1234]

I think Merlin086 has every right to be pissed off.

[Merlin086]

I think it's 95dB to the spectator stand. With other tracks, it's similar, measured to the edge of the track fencing. So you can be very much louder than the EPA's 90dB @ 1 meter.

Edit: For Winton, it's 95dB measured at 30metres from the track edge.

I believe that's correct, I intended to do a proper test but I've been in hospital and don't have a ECU now.......I will when I get it back...

Although I have noticed when driving past people mowing their grass, even if I limit revs to 3k they still stop and look as it is obviously louder than their mower while revving.

[tony1234]

I believe that's correct, I intended to do a proper test but I've been in hospital and don't have a ECU now.......I will when I get it back...

Although I have noticed when driving past people mowing their grass, even if I limit revs to 3k they still stop and look as it is obviously louder than their mower while revving.

You're kidding.That's NOT good.

[Merlin086]

You're kidding.That's NOT good.

Yeh, personally I'm really pissed off now after comments from TODA AU such as .........

"And a production replacement is comming to sort the noise out at no additional charge"

Like I should have to pay extra to make it legal!!!.....get real TODA AU !!!

Quote from today's post from Hondatech............

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"Adrian from Toda Racing Australia insuring total product compatibility and reliability for the Australian market for all our packages."
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...so TODA AU....you must be Adrian?


Comments like "Seriously, If it were upto me, I'd tell you to enjoy a cup of concrete."
...and...."It's nothing personal, just a reality check."

....hmmm, sounds pretty personal to me...but don't ask the question if you don't like the answer!

But sounds to me like YOU fXXXed up TODA AU!!

...and are getting defensive......!

[Merlin086]

You're kidding.That's NOT good.

And it's a shame I have to resort to my personal experience to justify my comments for TODA AU's sake.

His comments can only help to justify peoples' doubt in the product.

Shame they have people with an attitude like that involved at all, it can only be detrimental IMHO.

[baboo]

It takes 3 years to develop and still haven't finish.
that tells you that much about the product and ppl behind it.

sorry to hear about your experience Merlin086

[Lukey13]

This is now the 6th day of having my ECU sent away and it looks as though it still hasn't come in today's mail either.

By Monday it would have been 9 days without access to my car.

Such inconvenience is hugely frustrating when my ECU still hasn't been reflashed anyway.