Lets Talk d-series

[bennjamin]

actually theyre not made for top end. pure top end is pointless for drag racing

Just a thought ~ You dont spend time in the middle of any gears its all out acceleration down a straight line for 400 meters for drag racing , which these headers are designed for. Correct me but no track setups use this particular header for D series (or B series or F or H etc) - my point of my post
The bisimoto , is of no need for a D series engine daily driven.

[SeverAMV]

as i mentioned, theyre not designed for top end only, they make more power across the entire rev range, more than 4-2-1 extractors.
and yes, you do spend time in the middle of the rev range in a 400m drag race, as you do upshift, and revs do drop (unless you drive a miracle car). d series gearboxes arent as well spaced out as b series, the gears arent as close as they could be so the midrange is required.
most track setups use what their sponsors donate, i am yet to see bisi sponsor track cars, so obviously no track cars use it. its due to sponsorship, not because people dont want to use it and not because you claim it only makes power in the top end. bisi prefers and specialises in drag racing. as well, you need nice power throughout the rev range for a good launch. if you have poor bottom end, your launches wont be as quick, which will affect performance throughout the lap as launches are half the game of drag racing, you screw up the launch, and you essentially screw up the time.
some of the dyno charts from people using it show 17-20hp gains across the entire rev range which imo is pretty darn useful for daily driven vehicles.
and nothing is of any need to a daily driven engine, you dont need extractors, exhaust, intake, or any power mods for that matter. but you still want them, dont you?

[EURON8]

[QUOTE=Sexc86;1707493]um wrong... its simply ozhonda people think that there are no other hondas in australia outside of ozhonda...

I thought the reason that Dturbos never ran good times was because the setups were crap and made no power? now your saying its because all the drivers are shit... maybe you should tell that to dan...

Eksedan nonvtec standard head built bottom end... Fark really shit driver



ffs guys can you ppl think with a bit of fexibility in your brain?

when ppl say Australians are friendly it does not mean we don't have any
crims or thugs here...
same goes by my statement...and stop shooting yourself in foot again,
you just said it was "all long gone and parted off now" and what did i
say before?
"if u r a good driver or really into driving/racing, you will eitehr not
bother with dseries or quickly move on to something else that's much
better and sexier..."
so think before you type buddy, don't spit out silly comments and
examples that will only reinforce your opponents arguement.
and to the rest of you ppl here, think of something constructive to say
b4 jumping out without anything to back you up...
just because you are a disaster D loser that doesn't run the time or
make the power or both, it doesn't mean you can take out your
frustration and tell other ppl to shut up...

[bennjamin]

but you still want them, dont you?

Heck yes my friend. Why ? Because i dont have AC or PS and can accommodate such a header in my engine bay. Who cares what power it makes it looks too dam cool. Find me one for a B series.

[d15z1SUX]

[QUOTE=EURON8;1712690]

um wrong... its simply ozhonda people think that there are no other hondas in australia outside of ozhonda...

I thought the reason that Dturbos never ran good times was because the setups were crap and made no power? now your saying its because all the drivers are shit... maybe you should tell that to dan...

Eksedan nonvtec standard head built bottom end... Fark really shit driver



ffs guys can you ppl think with a bit of fexibility in your brain?

when ppl say Australians are friendly it does not mean we don't have any
crims or thugs here...
same goes by my statement...and stop shooting yourself in foot again,
you just said it was "all long gone and parted off now" and what did i
say before?
"if u r a good driver or really into driving/racing, you will eitehr not
bother with dseries or quickly move on to something else that's much
better and sexier..."
so think before you type buddy, don't spit out silly comments and
examples that will only reinforce your opponents arguement.
and to the rest of you ppl here, think of something constructive to say
b4 jumping out without anything to back you up...
just because you are a disaster D loser that doesn't run the time or
make the power or both, it doesn't mean you can take out your
frustration and tell other ppl to shut up...

hey man dont discriminate haha...

[Sexc86]

[QUOTE=EURON8;1712690]

um wrong... its simply ozhonda people think that there are no other hondas in australia outside of ozhonda...

I thought the reason that Dturbos never ran good times was because the setups were crap and made no power? now your saying its because all the drivers are shit... maybe you should tell that to dan...

Eksedan nonvtec standard head built bottom end... Fark really shit driver



ffs guys can you ppl think with a bit of fexibility in your brain?

when ppl say Australians are friendly it does not mean we don't have any
crims or thugs here...
same goes by my statement...and stop shooting yourself in foot again,
you just said it was "all long gone and parted off now" and what did i
say before?
"if u r a good driver or really into driving/racing, you will eitehr not
bother with dseries or quickly move on to something else that's much
better and sexier..."
so think before you type buddy, don't spit out silly comments and
examples that will only reinforce your opponents arguement.
and to the rest of you ppl here, think of something constructive to say
b4 jumping out without anything to back you up...
just because you are a disaster D loser that doesn't run the time or
make the power or both, it doesn't mean you can take out your
frustration and tell other ppl to shut up...

LOL... It was parted off and sold not because of disapointment. i dont think i would be unhappy with a low 12? So useing your reasoning... people who are selling their B and K series cars... does that mean they are not happy with them?... i doubt it.

Your a ****in homo... you got no rep on this forem, you have built nothing and got nothing behind your name (probably because your some faggot who doesnt have the balls to make hateing posts under their REAL account)... yet you judge me without even meeting me... and my setup before its even in my car... or maybe you dont have the intellegience to READ and COMPREHEND where my build is.... you tell me how i am supposed to run my car while its in parts?....hmmmm.... OH WAIT!!! That makes me FULL of EXCUSES!!

Now for your ****ING INFO.

internally stock d15b7, stock fuel system, 19s + street tyres, Full street trim + stereo, ****ed clutch 105wkw 14.5 99mph 2.360foot

**** OFF... Dont Tell me this shit that i dont run my car.

This is what my short block made in the usa. If you wanna have a Bitch and whing. How about email sean from ERL-performance in the USA and tell him what you think.

http://www.erlperformance.com



PS. I Lyle 100% admit that there are differences between USDM and AUDM HP rates. I no way am i saying that my car in specific will make these exact numbers.

[Oxer]

Just a random question, But how many D-series owners would be interested in alloy radiators? I am currently in the process of working with a couple of different radiator companies based in both vic and nsw to make a couple of prototypes.. These could be used by B-series owners obviously..

I realise that you can go and buy them from overseas companies but i thought that it would be good to get an australian company on board... Just wanted to see how much interest there would be.

Also let me know if there already are aus manufactures as i dont know of any..

[Weq]

[QUOTE=EURON8;1712690]

um wrong... its simply ozhonda people think that there are no other hondas in australia outside of ozhonda...

I thought the reason that Dturbos never ran good times was because the setups were crap and made no power? now your saying its because all the drivers are shit... maybe you should tell that to dan...

Eksedan nonvtec standard head built bottom end... Fark really shit driver



ffs guys can you ppl think with a bit of fexibility in your brain?

when ppl say Australians are friendly it does not mean we don't have any
crims or thugs here...
same goes by my statement...and stop shooting yourself in foot again,
you just said it was "all long gone and parted off now" and what did i
say before?
"if u r a good driver or really into driving/racing, you will eitehr not
bother with dseries or quickly move on to something else that's much
better and sexier..."
so think before you type buddy, don't spit out silly comments and
examples that will only reinforce your opponents arguement.
and to the rest of you ppl here, think of something constructive to say
b4 jumping out without anything to back you up...
just because you are a disaster D loser that doesn't run the time or
make the power or both, it doesn't mean you can take out your
frustration and tell other ppl to shut up...

Watch out man. Dan has now moved onto a RWD Nissan. Like most people who have any skill or desire in the area. FWD isnt for drag, track or street. Its a inferior platform used to cut production costs. SIMPLE.

This tool thinks an engine makes a car. FI D-B-K will make the same power (to a certain point). The point is, people with the money for a hi-end setup opt for a platform that is more popular. Simple. They dont want spend money on R&D. They dont want to fabricate parts. They dont want to have to special order pistons everytime they melt. So people tend to follow the MASSES and re-produce proven results. Its not a bad way to race, it makes economical sense! But to call yourself better then another person because you run a more popular, efficent setup. Well, thats narrow minded holden talk.

[Weq]

Lyle, you shouldnt bother refuting. What would u say if i posted a 2jz dyno graph making 1000kW. You wouldnt care right? Cause its not ur passion?

EURON8 is just another narrow minded follower. His opinion holds zero regard in any forum. On any topic. Letting him get under ur skin is just dumbing yourself down to his level.

Ben; D-series engines require a little more work then others to attain a good powerband. The the limited selection of of gearings availible, the header must perform well from 4000-8500rpm. Area under the curve.

[kazam]

weq convince jesse to sell me your old engine he wont do it for cheap, and im poor

[beeza]

Heck yes my friend. Why ? Because i dont have AC or PS and can accommodate such a header in my engine bay. Who cares what power it makes it looks too dam cool. Find me one for a B series.

He makes one for the b!!!!
He is taking orders now:
http://bisimoto.com/wst_page6.html

and a 'new generation Bisimoto headers will soon be available for Honda D, F, K and H series powerplants.' COOL!!

[EDCivicPunk]

EURON8> Piss Off like yr name suggest buddy, This is a thread for talking D-series, not bagging it out.

Anything is possible. I know of old datto's with their 30 yo engines producing way more power than the later SR series motors, and as much as any B series engine oput there, so it just depends how good you are at building and tuning, not what platform you have.
RANT OVER.