HELP PLS ... B16 or B18?

[EG3B16]

Great reply buddy..

Budget wise,,, is not really a major problem... I have sufficient funds to the project..

If i didnt, I wouldnt of considered it in the first place.

I know of all the things that need to be done..

I think my question really is it worth getting a B18 for the extra cash over a B16?

Does that sort of make sense?? sorry i dont know if im making any sense..

But thanks for the really informative reply...

So ur planning on doing one too??

Pat,

EG3..hence breeze correct?
When you say that you've budgeted for either, have you considered all the extra costs involved? The whole conversion can actually cost alot more than you think.

First of all, how much have you set aside for an engine? B16A halfcuts can cost anywhere between 2,000 - 4,000 depending on K's and condition. B18C will be start around the 4,000 mark i'm guessing? Then B18C type R motor will blow away 6,000 minimum. Also if you can't source it locally, may have to find one interstate. Hence shipping costs?

Then you'll have to worry about the process of converting the single carb to EFI. Parts wise it isn't too bad, just need a fuel pump, fuel tank and 3 fuel lines as carb models doesn't have the return line. Budget around 400 bucks for that. From my understanding an OBD0 to OBD1 harness is required as well? Set aside just a tad under 200 for that.

What about other factors such as rebuilds? You might wanna replace the gaskets on the head and block since you cannot be 100% sure on the history of the motor. E.G. how long it's been in the wreckers for or how long its been in someone's backyard. Whether moist or water has seeped through into the engine?

Should also replace timing belt while you're at it, which is another 100 bucks for the parts and a couple more hundred for labour. Replacing all your fluids is vital as well. Save yourself the hassle by doing it right the first time. As i said, you don't know how long it's been laying around for and hence you'll want to flush the motor and start clean with new engine oil, brake fluid, clutch fluid, transmission oil, power steering fluid, the lot!

If you're not doing all this yourself, then labour will be a whole lot more as well..Not sure on rates, but I think it'll be well over 1,000 with all that done.

All the stuff mentioned to be replaced is not essential, but to be honest, why would you stooge yourself by saving a couple of hundred bucks to begin with, then end up needing to replace a timing belt later on down the track causing more labour and hence more costs.

I'm looking at a B16A conversion myself and i've taken some of these factors into consideration, as a result my conversion should near 4,500.

[iwantvtec]

well what state u from???

[NightKids]

Great reply buddy..

Budget wise,,, is not really a major problem... I have sufficient funds to the project..

If i didnt, I wouldnt of considered it in the first place.

I know of all the things that need to be done..

I think my question really is it worth getting a B18 for the extra cash over a B16?

Does that sort of make sense?? sorry i dont know if im making any sense..

But thanks for the really informative reply...

So ur planning on doing one too??

Pat,

Judging by your nick I think you already know what you want

[evoline]

If money aint a thing for you, just go for the B18C7.
Spend that extra money so you know you wont look back.

[iwantvtec]

take it like this, i went b16a cause i wanted to also go legit. Without engineers.

[MM89]

Great reply buddy..

Budget wise,,, is not really a major problem... I have sufficient funds to the project..

If i didnt, I wouldnt of considered it in the first place.

I know of all the things that need to be done..

I think my question really is it worth getting a B18 for the extra cash over a B16?

Does that sort of make sense?? sorry i dont know if im making any sense..

But thanks for the really informative reply...

So ur planning on doing one too??

Pat,

yeah i am, B16A eventually getting an all motor rebuild. so will have to see if that toda rebuild really gives 130kw+ at the wheels, or even better a stroked B16A to 1.8L giving some stupid power figure of like 150kw at the wheels !?

I think my question really is it worth getting a B18 for the extra cash over a B16?

This you really have to ask yourself. Everyone has different values. For example, I think a B16A is sufficient because you won't use all that power on the road anyway, which is where the car is going to spend most of its time on anyway. Talking about driving to the speed limit here and in a sensible manner, you would only be able to go 110km/h max on any Victorian road, which i believe is the state limit.

Down low, from idle to around 3,000rpm or so both motors are quite similar? Correct me if i'm wrong. Then moving on to track work; if you take it on to the track, even then you won't be able to use all that power. Plus, i personally think it's more rewarding to drive a smaller B16A harder than a more powerful B18C.

I doubt you would be disappointed with either engine as you're getting a significant gain from 55kw > 118kw or 125kw, that's obviously more than DOUBLE your power, which in modifying terms is quite alot.

Something I forgot to mention in the last post was the conversion of other parts like brakes and suspension while you're at it, but as you said, you already know what you need.

[EG3B16]

Yeh i know what you mean about legalities! And thats exactly what im contimplating on

I was originally going to go B16 and just mod that..

Im in NSW so theres no difference in speed limit.. And im not exactly going to track the car anyways..

Very informative feedback. Thanks

Where bouts are you from?

yeah i am, B16A eventually getting an all motor rebuild. so will have to see if that toda rebuild really gives 130kw+ at the wheels, or even better a stroked B16A to 1.8L giving some stupid power figure of like 150kw at the wheels !?

I think my question really is it worth getting a B18 for the extra cash over a B16?

This you really have to ask yourself. Everyone has different values. For example, I think a B16A is sufficient because you won't use all that power on the road anyway, which is where the car is going to spend most of its time on anyway. Talking about driving to the speed limit here and in a sensible manner, you would only be able to go 110km/h max on any Victorian road, which i believe is the state limit.

Down low, from idle to around 3,000rpm or so both motors are quite similar? Correct me if i'm wrong. Then moving on to track work; if you take it on to the track, even then you won't be able to use all that power. Plus, i personally think it's more rewarding to drive a smaller B16A harder than a more powerful B18C.

I doubt you would be disappointed with either engine as you're getting a significant gain from 55kw > 118kw or 125kw, that's obviously more than DOUBLE your power, which in modifying terms is quite alot.

Something I forgot to mention in the last post was the conversion of other parts like brakes and suspension while you're at it, but as you said, you already know what you need.

[EG3B16]

Are you happy with the B16?

take it like this, i went b16a cause i wanted to also go legit. Without engineers.

[iwantvtec]

yeah i am, B16A eventually getting an all motor rebuild. so will have to see if that toda rebuild really gives 130kw+ at the wheels, or even better a stroked B16A to 1.8L giving some stupid power figure of like 150kw at the wheels !?

take it like this man i went from a gli (lousy 62 kw) to a b16a 84kw dats like a 30% power gain man, like thats alot.

Toda cams give 130 atw? really i nva knew. LOL do u also get 150 atw if u stroke ur b16?

[EG3B16]

Enough to have fun in right?

take it like this man i went from a gli (lousy 62 kw) to a b16a 84kw dats like a 30% power gain man, like thats alot.

Toda cams give 130 atw? really i nva knew. LOL do u also get 150 atw if u stroke ur b16?

[MM89]

Yeh i know what you mean about legalities! And thats exactly what im contimplating on

I was originally going to go B16 and just mod that..

Im in NSW so theres no difference in speed limit.. And im not exactly going to track the car anyways..

Very informative feedback. Thanks

Where bouts are you from?

i'm from melb cuz

you'll get around 95kw atfw quite easily with a couple of mods on the B16A which is plenty for street use (i reckon).

[MM89]

take it like this man i went from a gli (lousy 62 kw) to a b16a 84kw dats like a 30% power gain man, like thats alot.

Toda cams give 130 atw? really i nva knew. LOL do u also get 150 atw if u stroke ur b16?

haha, if toda cams give me a straight 130kw atw, i would buy em straight away without thinking! LOL! it's not as easy as that..The list does goes on!
As i mentioned before, it's an all motor rebuild, so you're pretty much changing everything..from memory, this 130kw rebuild consists of cams, pulleys, timing belt, piston, gaskets, valve springs, valve guides, rods, port n polish the LOT! i don't know of exact pricing, but i would say 5k easily just for this rebuild of the B16A...but if you're not tracking the car, then no point really using such a good setup on the road, just putting it to waste. Afterall, you'd have a power to weight ratio close to 160kw per tonne.