Teg GSI V Teg VTIR

[rbk_212]

you want the vti-r, VTEC is just so much fun and really is an engineering marvel for its time. as for bottom end power i the curves are basically the same and i think the GSi has like 2Nm more? negligble... just make sure its a clean non thrashed example

[A-man]

can i get an answer on my question??

[94dc2tegz]

just a real noob question but is the vtec killer cams cams that remove vtec?

they don't 'remove' vtec cuz y would u want to disable vtec?

don't quote me but i think it's basically just the high profile cam on at all times thats y wen u hear it it's really rough and sounds like a lawn mower

so as a product the vtec system is gone.

[rbk_212]

yeah not something you want. the system is so well designed why would you butcher it with a mod like that. better to focus on modifications that improve on the already strong points of your teg

[94dc2tegz]

yea, vtec is the solution for torque at the low end and power at the top end

it's like the best of both worlds which was unachievable in the old days

kinda like gears

if ur car only had one gear and u could choose any gear

u could have 1st gear and rip ppl at the lights and watch as ppl drove off on ya lol

or u could have a higher gear and just wait (if ur engine doesn't stall) till u reach a high enough speed to transfer the power efficiently.

not the best example - but u get the point

so yea... like rbk_212 said, don't do it lol.

[A-man]

what im getting at is vtec is only there for torque low down as well as good fuel econ.

by making the head flow less then when its not on vtec... because obviously u want the head to breath as much as it can at high rpm.. (thereoy of get air in and out as fast as u can) but down low this will make a rough car due to poor scavenging. hence lower valve lift etc.

what im getting at is theres a point when modding these cars where u will change the cams.. depending on how far u will go. u might remove vtec and in this case whats the point of a vtir or even a type r... if u dnt have vtec...

this is how im saying that a non vtec head will flow better then a vtec head just because of the valvetrain construction.

what u want to look at is how much torque u can create this will change depending on the stroke, bore, etc.

usually in a racing aspec if u look at alot of these cars running they will idle like shit but once there going there effiecent and very rarely come out of the effeicent RPM


correct me if im wrong

[geeang]

I was under the impression that VTEC Killer cams kept the valves open so VTEC is running essentially 100% of the time.

[VT1-R]

yeah, honestly... owning a gsi, the only thing i hate about it, is being asked if its VTEC n the lack of the VTiR decal on the rear!

Really, when u comparing stock kw/atw ratings between the 2 models ur only looking at maybe 10 kw atw which isnt much at all really.

Erm.. 10 fuking kw atw is alot for N/a.. and GSI vs VTI-R.. isnt it obvious.. Even if a done up GSI with I/h/e some custom cams, tune and everything beat a stock VTI-R, fine.. the owner is happy and he get all the bragging rights after spending a fortune($5k-$8k)..

But if you wanna go big time against the big boys like the STIs and EVOs, starting with a GSI will get you nowhere unless u turbo.. den again.. turbo is about $$ for reliability and longevity.. So bottom line VTI-R>GSI, in all aspects, stock, potential, vtec, etc... A built B18C in a DC2 can be on par with a stock STI..

[AE092]

lol

Maybe so, but good luck with JDM EVO/STi's/GTR's.

[A-man]

yeh but face it integras shouldnt be compared to things like evos stis and gtrs..

because there not anything like em

closest thing is that they all have engines.... and 4 wheels



those cars have turbo, 4wd, newer technology, bigger displacement, etc.

there nothing like a integra or any honda car i dnt know why people insist on comparing them to them...


thats how i understood vtec killers to work aswell..

saying that it may aswell be a b18b because its removing the vtec (kicking in) i hate saying that.... (i feel like im gonna have to have a shower and scrub the ricey off me) lmao


so if vtecs on all the time y not just get a b18b???? ie. gsi

[geeang]

With a GSI there is no VTEC function, with VTEC killer cams on a B18C it would have the VTEC function there but the valves would be open 100% of the time so it would be alot better than 'just a GSI'.

[bennjamin]

come on guys its verging off topic.


All this talk of "killer cams" - this is for worked engines only and not something to compare a Gsi to a vtir.

Horses for courses , a gsi with the same basic work done to it (I/H/E) will be very similar speed and agility to a vtir.
Gsi is cheaper. Older.
vtir is newer. looks alittle better IMO.
make the decision yourself.