Dyno Time with a B18

**SINISTR** · 10-12-2004 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Civic Type R

they should have given you another run.
They would have run it in 4th gear and gearbox ratio talk means nothing Mikey. - lol
I agree there is more power to be had after 7371, thats obvious.

they did - if you look close enough there are two curves there... one in a dotted line (1st run) and solid line (2nd run)

Because we didn't know the exact gear ratio for the gearbox and the car has no tacho Ivan wasn't able to calibrate the redline correctly hence thats why it finishes at the 7000rpm mark. if we at least knew the correct gearbox ratio, he would have been able to dial that in, and set the redline at 8500 and run to 8500 without the risk of blowing the motor. Otherwise it was unsafe.

There's definatelly more in that car - i recon over 150hp.... but i need to get a tacho first!

PORNSTAR dude - theres the graph for ya!

BEDE - hahaha! nice one

**Civic Type R** · 10-12-2004 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by VTEChnique

yeah so you guys can measure your penises !! LMFAO hahahaa

so i can flop it right out onto your forehead

**Civic Type R** · 10-12-2004 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by SINISTR

Because we didn't know the exact gear ratio for the gearbox and the car has no tacho Ivan wasn't able to calibrate the redline correctly hence thats why it finishes at the 7000rpm mark. if we at least knew the correct gearbox ratio, he would have been able to dial that in, and set the redline at 8500 and run to 8500 without the risk of blowing the motor. Otherwise it was unsafe.

i believe thats total crap Mike.
everyone knows these engines revv up to 9000rpm. Gearbox calibration is a load of wank.

p.s. my dick is the biggest

**VTEChnique** · 10-12-2004 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Civic Type R

so i can flop it right out onto your forehead

URGHH Adam that's just ****in foul bro !! you dont even joke about THAT shit !! URGHH

As for Ratios ? well that meas a LOT when a dyno has to calibrate HP.. with Ratios, if you run in 3rd gear you actually are at what 0.8:1 or whatever while 4th gear in hondas is as close to 1:1 as you can get - thus the most accurate HP figure.

Plus the engine will rev-out 'slower' as in there will be more detail in the curve for tuning purposes.

Mike couldnt rev that motor higher on the dyno safely without a tacho as the Microtech has no rev-limit set I think.. thus it would just rev and rev and rev untill it blew.

IMO ALLY Honda Dyno's should be run in 4th gear.

**SINISTR** · 10-12-2004 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Civic Type R

i believe thats total crap Mike.
everyone knows these engines revv up to 9000rpm. Gearbox calibration is a load of wank.

wtf are u talking about? are u even reading what I wrote?

its not the gearbox calibration or what ever u calling it...
because the car doesn't have a TACHO - ivan was going to pull it off the dyno, otherwise he doesn't know how if the limit he sets on the rev meter is correct. Unless he inputs the correct gearbox ratio - which for a VtiR is 4.4 and not the 4.7 (which is a TypeR) we put in. Because the gearbox ratio which we gave him was a guess and he knew about it he decided to rev only to 7000.

So don't give me shit, everyone knows just as I know that the engine can rev to 9000, but with an incorrect ratio in the dyno computer and no tacho - 8500 could be in fact 9500 and Goodbye to the engine!

thats the result we got from 7000rpm. what else do you want me to tell u?

**Civic Type R** · 10-12-2004 01:11 PM

lol .
well i had to get my one back at you hehe.
Again Ivan of all people would know what the gears ratios for a Honda would be. Its not like a B series transmision is that rare a performance shop hasnt seen one before.
3rd gear will give a higher reading, yes, but i am running the same transmission as Cas's eg and no one has dribbed on about calculating ratios etc..

**Marz** · 10-12-2004 01:26 PM

I love the way you guys argue over pissy 150hp hatches.
When you're popping 300+hp, THEN start a slanging match.
I'm sure if other car lovers read this thread they'd lose it laughing.

**SINISTR** · 10-12-2004 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Civic Type R

lol .
well i had to get my one back at you hehe.
Again Ivan of all people would know what the gears ratios for a Honda would be. Its not like a B series transmision is that rare a performance shop hasnt seen one before.
3rd gear will give a higher reading, yes, but i am running the same transmission as Cas's eg and no one has dribbed on about calculating ratios etc..

So u're running a VtiR gearbox now? Since when? You swapped a TypeR box into onto your B16A2 and they mates it with the current B18C... so now suddenly you have a VtiR gbox?

I didn't expect Ivan to know the gearbox ratios, he doesn't work with Hondas everyday, as speedworks is more a Silvia, WRX and skyline workshop. and in any case, he didn't know and he wasn't going to risk it, he doens't have any proof that the gears haven't been changed in the gearbox... a tacho is the best indication for him, so he doesn't need to know the gear ratios.

Its not about getting back at me... what are you on about. You wanted proof that Carolines car made 147.8 - you got it. Im just making a comment about all the little things that still haven't been sorted with the car - so still not the final readout of the hp but an indication of where it stands right now!

Im even going to give you a CREDIT here...so appreciate it

*im sick of having these conversations of whos car is better* this was a Hub dyno - you ran at a Roller dyno so im giving an allowance that you may have lost power because of the type of wheels you are running and the pressure of the tyres etc etc... those are the variables.

Fair enought?

**Civic Type R** · 10-12-2004 01:36 PM

lol Mike !!!
no need to get all flustered. I was getting back at VTEChnique with some humour.
My car is not better than Cas's and im not trying to compete. Infact i wouldnt be surprised if her B18 produces more than mine but i will repeat myself and ask for it to be run at Hyperdrive. Now you can see why everyone hates dyno vs dyno discussions. People take them too seriously and start throwing bullshit factors into the equation.

p.s. i thought you said u had the Type R tranny ?

**VTEChnique** · 10-12-2004 01:40 PM

For everyone's Sake..

Caroline's Breeze is running a B18C2 with ITR cams.. has the stock Integra VTiR gearbox (4.4 Final Drive).

Adam's VTiR is running a B18(C) type R (hybrid) with 99 spec Type R gearbox (4.7 Final Drive).

Ivan from Speedworks did NOT know the ratio of any stock hondas.. you'll find that like most performance shops in Perth, his business is mainly Nissans and Subaru's as that's where the $$ is.

**SINISTR** · 10-12-2004 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Civic Type R

lol Mike !!!
no need to get all flustered. I was getting back at VTEChnique with some humour.
My car is not better than Cas's and im not trying to compete. Infact i wouldnt be surprised if her B18 produces more than mine but i will repeat myself and ask for it to be run at Hyperdrive. Now you can see why everyone hates dyno vs dyno discussions. People take them too seriously and start throwing bullshit factors into the equation.

p.s. i thought you said u had the Type R tranny ?

dude - im not getting Flustered... don't worry about me! I still have plenty of patience left... and please don't try and turn this around on me now.
You have said what u have said, and adding "My car is not better than Cas's and im not trying to compete" or "i wouldnt be surprised if her B18 produces more than mine" - is NOT what your're thinking deep down because when we do run it @ hyperdrive and it does get less than yours because it only is a VtiR and not this BUILT up to the max TypeR like yours - I can just see the 'i told you so' will never stop. Yes each dyno is different, YES - the graph is there because u asked for it - and i just stated the simple reasons why it wasn't a complete run - not bullshit factors - as you say - FACTS.

and no - the transmission and engine is all VtiR stock with i/h/e and ecu.