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  1. #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony1234 View Post
    Maybe they only changed the final drive ratio on the CU2 and left the gears the same??
    Quite possibly yes - a 4.7 final drive would noticeably help acceleration and go much of the way to offset the weight increase with the CU2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yfin View Post
    Nah that isn't correct. The CL9 definately had a long 4.4 final drive. Only the Acura TSX had 4.76.

    If your data of 4.76 on the CU2 is correct -that explains how it partly overcomes the weight increase as the acceleration is similar to the CL9. Is your data for both vehicles from the Acura TSX?
    These are from TSX off the internet.

    I'll try and find Euro. I would have thought they would be the same???
    Honda Accord Euro CU2 / Lexus IS-F

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    Quote Originally Posted by Type R Positive View Post
    Gear ratios: CU2 (CL9)
    1st: 3.27 (3.27)
    2nd: 2.04 (1.88)
    3rd: 1.43 (1.36)
    4th: 1.07 (1.03)
    5th: 0.87 (0.83)
    6th: 0.69 (0.66)
    Rev: 3.58 (3.58)
    Final: 4.76 (4.76)
    Ratios: CL9/CU2
    1st: 3.533/3.27
    2nd: 1.880/2.04
    3rd: 1.354/1.43
    4th: 1.027/1.07
    5th: 0.825/0.87
    6th: 0.659/0.69
    Rev: 3.583/3.58
    Final: 4.388/4.76

    CU2 is significantly shorter than CL9. Manual's top speed in 2nd gear onwards has errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronng View Post
    Manual's top speed in 2nd gear onwards has errors.
    For CU2? I think it's right.

    What Honda manual states and what I got were pretty much the same, except 2nd (85km/h@~7krpm vs 97km/h@???) which I will retest for ya.

    Honda manual did not state top speed. It stated maximum recommended speed before entering red zone.
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    I just retested it, 2nd gear = 95-100km/h@7k rpm.
    It can go faster in 2nd.....
    Honda Accord Euro CU2 / Lexus IS-F

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    top-speed per gear has absolutely no indication of how quick a car is.. infact in my opinion, it's the opposite. a higher top-speed per gear would indicate taller ratios.. this would actually sacrifice acceleration for a higher speed.

    The ratios on the new 6-speed are definately CLOSER matched than CL9. wether they've shortend and closed the ratios or simply shortened the final drive, the effect is the same - much snappier !!

    I took a Std. Manual home the other night and it was very very impressive.

    the mid-range torque is so much stronger than the CL9 and it actually throws you back in the seat when u floor-it in even 3rd and 4th gears !!

    there is a definate change in the audible tone at 5,000RPM (or just after) when VTEC engages and while there's less of a 'kick' than the CL9, this is probably due to the gains in mid-range masking the changeover point... like the B16A has a strong VTEC 'kick' but the B18C-R isnt quite as violent at changeover due to the extra torque before the switch point.

    But overall this new model is a substantial evolution from the previous model and when you consider the price has dropped $1,000 across the lineup and we have more car with more features - it's definately a good move.

    As Aaronng said (i think) that this is the first time in a while he'd felt excited behind the wheel of a new model - i'd have to agree. the FN2 was great but you kind of expect that from that kind of vehicle.. the ACCORD was a huge improvement over the older model also but is also of the standard you'd expect - where this new Euro is even beter than I expected and a significant improvement over the CL9 - which in it's own right is still an exceptionally good car.

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    Any 0-100kms/hr figures?

    Does it beat the CL9 MT6 of 7.8 seconds?

    I've read that the auto only does 9.5 - how crap is that? No wonder honda doesn't publish performance figures. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroBro View Post
    Any 0-100kms/hr figures?

    Does it beat the CL9 MT6 of 7.8 seconds?

    I've read that the auto only does 9.5 - how crap is that? No wonder honda doesn't publish performance figures. LOL
    The times are only what's available off the net.

    Where did you read auto only 9.5?

    Figures show that the CU2 manual is quicker.
    But That's if you can trust the internet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type R Positive View Post
    The times are only what's available off the net.

    Where did you read auto only 9.5?

    Figures show that the CU2 manual is quicker.
    But That's if you can trust the internet!
    http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=754035

    ..it also has 2.2 diesel @ 9.6 seconds.

    The CL9 is also 9.5 - see here http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_1967...y/article.html
    Last edited by EuroBro; 04-07-2008 at 09:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Type R Positive View Post
    I just retested it, 2nd gear = 95-100km/h@7k rpm.
    It can go faster in 2nd.....
    That's why I was wondering why you only got up to 85km/h on 2nd gear? Should be at faster speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroBro View Post
    http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=754035

    ..it also has 2.2 diesel @ 9.6 seconds.

    The CL9 is also 9.5 - see here http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_1967...y/article.html
    That top one is a good read. It has the manual sedan at 7.8 0-100.
    As I said before, every review had a different time.

    That diesel is auto only too.
    Honda Accord Euro CU2 / Lexus IS-F

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euro76 View Post
    That's why I was wondering why you only got up to 85km/h on 2nd gear? Should be at faster speed.
    It was hard to remember 5 gears worth of speeds.
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