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					  Originally Posted by  aaronng
					 
				 
				Honda recommended oil viscosities are 0w-20, 0w-30, 5w-30, 10w-30, 0w-40, 5w-40, 10w-40 and maybe 15w-40. Says so in the manual. 
			
		 
	 
 Indeed they are, but for the temperature range we are generally going to experience in south east Australia 10W-30 and 10W-40 are recommended.  The DC5R manual suggests that no thinner oil than 5W-30 be used and that is for temperatures down to less than -20 Celsius.  I see no mention of 0W-30 or 0W-20 in the DC5R manual  . 
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by  Chi
					 
				 
				A lot of Japanese Honda tuner shops use 0w-40 for track. 
  
I've used mainly 5-30 and 10-40 and wondering if it is any beneficial for the 0w-40. 
  
Just a question, doesn't mean I'm 100% using it. 
  
I know J's racing use 0w-20 for their track cars. which is a bit odd. 
			
		 
	 
 J's possibly build their motors with different clearances and ideas to stock motors or they run them at different temperatures.  I have no idea and I am certainly not going to disagree. 
 
Honestly very few people, myself included, choose their oil using any logic or evidence.  I would not honestly recommend Red Line to anyone else, I would only say that I have been to many track days on the oil in a variety of temperatures and my car still runs well. 
 
I am still interested in why you want a lower viscosity (eg 0W or 5W) at low temperatures?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							0w and 5w will only make a difference if you live in the mountains during the winter snow season. Even so, it only makes a difference when you first start your engine in the morning. After the engine has warmed up, it makes almost no difference compared to a 10w. The 2nd number matters after that.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  aaronng
					 
				 
				I know that. I am saying that for oils of the correct viscosity for your engine, the oil consumption is more dependent on your PCV valve and ring/bore conditions. Which oils have you PERSONALLY used that burns slower than Shell? Also WHICH shell oil are you referring to? Shell ECO10? Shell Helix? Shell Helix Plus? Shell Helix Ultra? 
			
		 
	 
 shell helix ultra and shell helix extra. 
 
 
the two full synthetic oils i use is either agip 0w-30 or the same in motul, which both last longer, and my pcv valve is fairly new.. atm i'm using 5w-40 motul purely coz i ran out of my own little stash of agip. but both motul and agip in the same ratings as what shell i have used will alwasy last longer, and its a shared experience with alot of my mates, we're very picky about what goes into our sumps
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							Someone please explain why my mechanic would pour/recommend me 10w70 - Penrite Sin - Full Syn? 
 
I know it's a thicker oil, but why?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							hey guys i'm lost lol. i have a 97 integra gsi with 177,xxx km on it. what oil would u guys recommend? i dont take it to track or anything, i just prefer fuel efficiency. sorry to hijack the thread :S
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							Fuchs GTO Synthetic 10w30 w/ K&N Oil Filter
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  deezsta87
					 
				 
				hey guys i'm lost lol. i have a 97 integra gsi with 177,xxx km on it. what oil would u guys recommend? i dont take it to track or anything, i just prefer fuel efficiency. sorry to hijack the thread :S 
			
		 
	 
 OEM Honda FEO Mineral Oil 10w30  
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by  Mitsubishi
					 
				 
				Someone please explain why my mechanic would pour/recommend me 10w70 - Penrite Sin - Full Syn? 
 
I know it's a thicker oil, but why? 
			
		 
	 
 As they make more money from it most likely. If he had any clue he would realise that an oil with a weight of 70 @ operating temperature would ruin the internals and oil pump. When you think about it...thats almost the weight of the average transmission oil. 
 
EDIT: FYI....Penrite Oils are absolute GARBAGE in my opinion...i would recommend to stay away from them particulary their transmission oils. 
 
Regards,  
Andrew
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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					  Originally Posted by  absolutR
					 
				 
				shell helix ultra and shell helix extra. 
 
 
the two full synthetic oils i use is either agip 0w-30 or the same in motul, which both last longer, and my pcv valve is fairly new.. atm i'm using 5w-40 motul purely coz i ran out of my own little stash of agip. but both motul and agip in the same ratings as what shell i have used will alwasy last longer, and its a shared experience with alot of my mates, we're very picky about what goes into our sumps 
			
		 
	 
 That is odd, wonder why. To burn, it has to get into the combustion chamber. When inside the combustion chamber, all oils will burn as the combustion temperature is above the oil's ignition point.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  Sp00ny
					 
				 
				As they make more money from it most likely. If he had any clue he would realise that an oil with a weight of 70 @ operating temperature would ruin the internals and oil pump. When you think about it...thats almost the weight of the average transmission oil. 
 
Regards,  
Andrew 
			
		 
	 
 Even thicker than transmission oil! Honda MTF is 75w80 which is equivalent to a 10w-30 oil. At 70@100 C, that would be closer to 140 weight gear oil!
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  aaronng
					 
				 
				That is odd, wonder why. To burn, it has to get into the combustion chamber. When inside the combustion chamber, all oils will burn as the combustion temperature is above the oil's ignition point. 
			
		 
	 
 Different quality and quantity in PAO/Easter proportion can affect seals differently, shrink, swelling. That will affect the amount of oil getting to areas that they shouldn't. No further info in Motul and Agip oils to follow up as to what's different from Shell oil. 
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by  chargeR
					 
				 
				I am still interested in why you want a lower viscosity (eg 0W or 5W) at low temperatures? 
			
		 
	 
 0W is often mentioned because of the amount of PAO/Easter needed to use as base stock to achieve this viscosity. 0W40 will have a good proportion of PAO to handle track conditions while a reasonable number of HTHS to protection the bearings. If a track car using 0W20 on track, I will be saying they are after ultimate horsepower while don't mind rebuilding every second session. Having said that, there are small can additives they might use for extra protection according to their applications.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							So i just recently got a DC5R and have been trying to research which oil to use, i use my dc5 as a commuter and bit of windy roads driving, with a bit of thrashing here and there. 
 
Reading this thread, i have no idea what all these oil ratings mean? 
 
anyone mind helping a fella help? 
 
Sorry for thread revival. 
 
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