My Disappointment

[yourfather]

Hi,

Look, I thought I'd write a little open letter to the community about some concerns that I have.

NOW ! First thing is first, this is not meant to be a rock throwing exercise, nor is it meant to be a personal public diatribe about OzHonda and the way it is being run - but there are a few things that I think we should consider and things that I think can make it better here.

1) Freedom of Speech - Now, I understand that this is not a right, it is a priviledge, but I personally feel that the things that are being cleared and /or deleted not really based on content but based on previous reputation. I'd like everyone to be impartial but I understand that its not a perfect world.

For example, a logical post asking about post and poll lengths and whether or not they can be adjusted shouldn't be a call for the thread being closed.

Criticism of what you do isn't necessarily a bad thing and Im just as open to being critiqued, as Wynode said last night when he told me to grow up.

2) Re-evaluation of the trading policy and the "wiping" of responsibility. Repeatedly Moderators claim that they have no ability to stop people from ripping off other members.

I think it is important that you evaluate this situation and you either start doing something about the people who are ripping off others, or you close all for sale threads.

You seem to have this "superior knowledge" and get communicated with by the members quite frequently, im sure that you have an idea of who is ripping people off. Even a dob in a ripoff kind of line could be useful in dealing with these people. This doesnt mean you become involved in dispute resolution, but you assist those trying to recover their funds in doing so in a legal manner. Yfin is a lawyer, Aarong knows everything, im sure you can figure something out

3) Being afraid to name and shame businesses that are poor - Now, this is another legal issue, but I think it is important that shit businesses get the shit feedback they deserve. Every time someone posts an opinion that is not happy happy joy joy, it gets shut down because you are so afraid of libel.

Thats not saying I suggest that you put your balls on the line for litigation, but I feel that people in a community should have the ability to exchange ideas and information freely, with respect. Those who go beyond the boundaries should be punished.

Now, I was going to post something like this last night but I felt I should think about it for a little while to make sure what I was saying was valid.

Maybe its because I have been here for a while that I am getting a bit cranky and stale, but I think that is a question that some/all of us should ask ourselves at some stage.

I dont think OzHonda has a form of cancer that is killing it, I think its better than what it was when I started - but we need to be careful of hiveminding and getting defensive.

Rather than saying we cant do this and that, try shit out, mix it up a lil bit - dont do a complete engine swap, but try a few different modifications until you get a good combination. We're here for fun and recreation and if I have to be the serious person that I am at the office 24/7 also on OzHonda, I seriously go batshit crazy.

Thanks for reading,

Regards,

yF

p.s. Also, I want to apologise to everyone I have ever pissed off on here, im not the easiest person to get along with. The only exception is the dickhead Jinrai.

[chunky]

not bad points there

[bennjamin]

members make the Website how it has been , how it is and how it will be.

[yourfather]

you may think that is the case, but I think you under-estimate the influence that you green people have on the community.

[LXRY]

Yes I totally agree especially the parts regarding freedom of speech. It seems that you can only speak highly and not poorly. it's like ozhonda is painting a picture perfect world, and all negative comments are not allowed full stop. well I'de hate to burst your bubble but outside the walls of ozhonda it aint so pretty...we should have the freedom to speak 'the truth' regardless, that's what a community based forum is about. Recently I started a thread on service departments it was closed down because of supposed negative comments posted by members, well stiff shit if they did, the truth is the truth, if not well then let the user be the one responsible as your disclaimer already states...this is called "keeping the bastards honest" very familiar phrase I'm sure. By allowing the truth not to be told about any issue's is just doing harm to our members here, after all we (members) are ozhonda, without us (members) ozhonda is NOTHING !! The members deserve the right of the truth...How can you deny a member the truth if that's what they come to ozhonda to seek

[bennjamin]

Mods do what we can to avoid litigation to ozhonda members. If that is seen as "holding back the truth" or "not telling who rips off" to you or others , so be it.

[EKVTIR-T]

Has there ever been a case where a forum and/or member has been pursued legally that anyone knows of?

[bennjamin]

not on this website that i know of. But there have been various litigation lawsuits about defaming etc. I think one fairly recent was about hondata ?

[LXRY]

members make the Website how it has been , how it is and how it will be.

Nope you are wrong my friend, it's full control by the ozhondahive, the ozhonda hive calling the shots not us


Majority of the ppl I've dealt with coming to ozhonda for advice and answers on probems with their cars and fixes if available. We have our hands tied can't tell the truth becasue mods on our arses editing the truth....

*only happy things aloud in ozhonda, we are a happy place, all good here, come to our happy place, yipeeeeeee

in certain instances threads being closed becasue mods too lazy to mod, always threatening to close threads down cause spamming so forth, not fair on thread starters.

[yourfather]

not on this website that i know of. But there have been various litigation lawsuits about defaming etc. I think one fairly recent was about hondata ?

no the hondata stuff was because someone posted a hacked version of the HONDATA code on pgmfi.org and they sued the owner of the forum..

Remember they are in the USA and they have a much more litigious society.

[bennjamin]

(LXRY) ihave no idea what you are on about mate. This is a forum that is moderated by people to the best of their ability. It isnt perfect and "we" try our best.
What are you getting at ? Too much censorship ? You are sounding like beeza on a good day
Why do you kick up a stink - when your own thread was closed down after a fair bit of discussion ?

[LXRY]

Ozhonda is only a host, medium......never get shut down.

Thanks for caring about me with regards to looking after me so I don't get sued but it shouldn't be upto you to look after my affairs, mods should be worried only about modding site issues.

You are the first I've heard talk like this at least you telling the truth cause half the time it's "edit"..."edit"..."edit"..ozhonda will get sued...can't defame cause they'll shut us down...etc..etc..