My Disappointment

[LXRY]

Let me remind you that this is a privately owned forum, and even though we are open to suggestions, we are not obligated to surrender to all requests... in ur case, a poll that features 10+ options.

Theres really no point to that thread i closed, u asked if it were possible, we said yes, however it wasnt warranted.
Aside from Bludger's "agreeance" on the matter, you're the only person to debate this.
LIke i said in the other thread, 1 out of however many thousand members we have is not going to cause a mass change to how this forum is run.

Majority of forums are privately owned, and ? Do you want me to buy it off you guys, name the price...

so your trying to say....we do as we please and you can't do anything about it? just say it straight out be a man go on let it out you'll feel better.

The truth of the matter is because of your selfishness you closed the thread. no where in that thread did you guys say "yes" and but it wasn't warranted you are straight out wrong, I had asked the question and never got a chance for answers especially waiting on wynode's answer. you never even gave it a chance for discussion, the ozhondahive had spoken and that was the end of the matter really.

I am a member at other car forums not only honda and I'm forever trying to defend the "keep it clean" image you guys policing here at ozhonda..








this is the link to the site have a look for yourself....

http://www.ozmazdaclub.com/forum/mem...-people-4.html


*read the third last message from the bottom is most important in pictures provided, might have dealings with you Q_ball

[LXRY]

The only mod who never edits the truth is panda[cRx], credit goes to him as he always speaks his mind no matter what...his hang all the way to his knees

[panda[cRx]]

don't bring me into this lol

[wynode]

Man I was just about to go to sleep then saw this thread lol

I'll try and address all the points as best I can.

1) Freedom of Speech - Now, I understand that this is not a right, it is a priviledge, but I personally feel that the things that are being cleared and /or deleted not really based on content but based on previous reputation. I'd like everyone to be impartial but I understand that its not a perfect world.

For example, a logical post asking about post and poll lengths and whether or not they can be adjusted shouldn't be a call for the thread being closed.

That thread was closed because there was a request to increase the size of the POLL options. The thread justifying this had over 50 options and there is no way I would have increased it to 50. That was just one case and I'm yet to have a request to increase it to more. If I received a valid reason why it should be increased (to say 15) then I would have done it.......but alas I got no valid reason. Just repeated replies from the same user. As you can understand I get requests to increase quotas/restricitons all the time......and when possible I do. This just wasn't one of those cases.

2) Re-evaluation of the trading policy and the "wiping" of responsibility. Repeatedly Moderators claim that they have no ability to stop people from ripping off other members.

You seem to have this "superior knowledge" and get communicated with by the members quite frequently, im sure that you have an idea of who is ripping people off. Even a dob in a ripoff kind of line could be useful in dealing with these people. This doesnt mean you become involved in dispute resolution, but you assist those trying to recover their funds in doing so in a legal manner.

Unfortunately that is getting involved. If we are required (legally) to hand over any information to the authorities then I will not hesitate in doing that. But chasing up money would mean proving that money is owed.....and you can imagine what that would mean for the moderators. That said, we do have the trader rating system as well as this line in the T&C (which has been there for a long while now).

30.If you have any complaints about a particular user, private message a Moderator of the forum and email forum-mailer[at]ozhonda.com and we will keep your complaint on record. If there are sufficient complaints against one particular user, then his/her account may be suspended if Ozhonda deems necessary. Trading on in the Market Place is done at your own risk.

3) Being afraid to name and shame businesses that are poor - Now, this is another legal issue, but I think it is important that shit businesses get the shit feedback they deserve. Every time someone posts an opinion that is not happy happy joy joy, it gets shut down because you are so afraid of libel.

Defamation is a serious issue and there are other forums (not just OH) where they don't allow any such comments. THere have been cases where the forum owner has been taken to court over comments made by a user and that is something I'd like to avoid.

Has there ever been a case where a forum and/or member has been pursued legally that anyone knows of?

Not for OH......and we'd like to keep it like that. As for another forum, yes.

Thanks for caring about me with regards to looking after me so I don't get sued but it shouldn't be upto you to look after my affairs, mods should be worried only about modding site issues.

You're half right....we're also concerned about ourselves (and me as the site owner). I don't want to have to be dragged through court because of something you or someone else said that was negative.

Majority of forums are privately owned, and ? Do you want me to buy it off you guys, name the price...

Without sounding too obnoxious I doubt you'll come up with the funds. Even if you did I would like to know that OH is going into good hands.

The truth of the matter is because of your selfishness you closed the thread. no where in that thread did you guys say "yes" and but it wasn't warranted you are straight out wrong, I had asked the question and never got a chance for answers especially waiting on wynode's answer. you never even gave it a chance for discussion, the ozhondahive had spoken and that was the end of the matter really.

I didn't feel I need to reply because you didn't provide me with a valid reason why the POLL numbers should be increased. The thread you linked to (with over 50 options) was not the best example. If you could provide me with good reasoning to increase it to 15 or 20 then I'd consider it. But in all honesty.........if you can't narrow down your choices to 10 to get feedback on......have you really applied any selection criteria?

[LXRY]

Man I was just about to go to sleep then saw this thread lol

The truth....you knew what was going on you just gearing up to respond 'cautiously' maybe even awaiting a mistake from one of us, might of even consulted the 'ozhondahive' on the matter while observing our comments....but good to see that you in a better frame of mind than yesterday.

I didn't feel I need to reply because you didn't provide me with a valid reason why the POLL numbers should be increased. The thread you linked to (with over 50 options) was not the best example. If you could provide me with good reasoning to increase it to 15 or 20 then I'd consider it. But in all honesty.........if you can't narrow down your choices to 10 to get feedback on......have you really applied any selection criteria?

I tried my best to explain why I thought it was important.

But in all honesty.........if you can't narrow down your choices to 10 to get feedback on......have you really applied any selection criteria?

how can I do this, how do I narrow all service dealers in aust. what sort of a question is that ? Think about it really...."selection criterior" Lmao at that one..and "didn't feel the need to reply" come on....have some respect. (why even have a site discussion section).


I asked you some questions relating the matter of the poll thread however I feel you could not answer my question's aswell without contradicting yourself too.

I invite you to open the thread and answer my question that i asked before the thread was closed, if you can answer them then you won't hear from me regarding this matter again.

I only want best for the members, I am not selfish in anyway, i go out of my way to help any member who ask or seeks help. i am and have been an active member for a while now, I have an open mind, and I speak my mind and tell the truth always.....

[yourfather]

Unfortunately that is getting involved. If we are required (legally) to hand over any information to the authorities then I will not hesitate in doing that. But chasing up money would mean proving that money is owed.....and you can imagine what that would mean for the moderators. That said, we do have the trader rating system as well as this line in the T&C (which has been there for a long while now).

can you have a look into being more proactive in shutting down those who are ripping people off?

would you be willing to review the traders policy especially in light of the fact that traders who are performing dishonestly (i.e. selling spoom wheels as real spoon wheels) get spoken to about the behaviour?

I think its something that Yfin could probably give a better opinion on than me. I havent seen him on here lately tho.

because people dont make up this kind of stuff - it doesnt come from nowhere...

Defamation is a serious issue and there are other forums (not just OH) where they don't allow any such comments. THere have been cases where the forum owner has been taken to court over comments made by a user and that is something I'd like to avoid.

i dont want anyone going to court either, but i feel that we should be able to express some kind of negative feelings to other users about a service product or issue.

remember with the DIY board how you needed mod approval, maybe make like a consumer affairs board where people can raise issues (fact only) and mods approve whether it gets raised.

So for example,

Post is, yourfather promised to sell me 5 spoon socks for 20 dollars. I received only 4 spoon socks and he told me the price went up to 25 dollars.

Now, the person posting obv. needs to give the other person the right to reply.

or - replica wheels purchased from yourFathers dodgy wheel emporium broken, and you give a blow by blow detail of what you were doing and people can discuss the topic.

[ludecrs]

The truth....you knew what was going on you just gearing up to respond 'cautiously' maybe even awaiting a mistake from one of us, might of even consulted the 'ozhondahive' on the matter while observing our comments....

I'm going to make this abundantly clear with no sugar coated BS - because thats the kind of person I am. I don't like you. You sit behind your monitor, jump to assumptions, your posts are immature, and you judge people so quickly, like above. What you don't realise is the rife you are creating in carrying on the way you do.

If you have that kind of narrow minded negative attitude, I ask the question why are you even here?

EDIT: As you can tell, I'm also very blunt and to the point, however I'm a very laid back kind of person, easy to get along with, rarely infract people, just give them a heads up in PM, I don't like banning people, but what I don't tolerate is smartasses.

And for the record, the picture you posted up from the Mazda site, where Mr Anderson goes on about not joining up, he has to be a member to view the forum....... Ironic, since he's the thread creator in the first place.......

[Q_ball]

The truth....you knew what was going on you just gearing up to respond 'cautiously' maybe even awaiting a mistake from one of us, might of even consulted the 'ozhondahive' on the matter while observing our comments....but good to see that you in a better frame of mind than yesterday.

You really have NFI mate...
Nothing was discussed, we were all freakn sleepin!!

edit: and what makes you think that i care about what they say on Ozmazda?

[bennjamin]

guys that ozmazda incident was isolated. not something that should worry anyone here or anywhere.

Would you (LXRY etc) be happy if We as moderators didnt edit anything out ? What would happen when e let it go....then We receive summons from Police or Legal proceedings to take all your posts as evidence in a litigation case ?

[Raztaz]

Has there ever been a case where a forum and/or member has been pursued legally that anyone knows of?

Whirlpool forums

[JasonGilholme]

Touching on the defamation concerns..

Why can't people take responsibility for their own posts and the contents of them?

What ever happened to standing up for yourself?

Just because someone posts something on the ozhonda forum, doesn't mean that ozhonda agrees with that individuals opinion.

That individuals opinion is their own, and if they express it and it lands them in hot water that should be their own fault.

I feel that, in regards to the defamation concerns, ozhonda is taking far too much responsibility and should wash their hands and let the posters become the 'owner' of their posts and be responsible for what they say.

[Q_ball]

I feel that, in regards to the defamation concerns, ozhonda is taking far too much responsibility and should wash their hands and let the posters become the 'owner' of their posts and be responsible for what they say.

Jason, ozhonda IS ALREADY washing their hands of this defamation issue by deleting ppl's posts/editing posts.
It becomes our issue/responsibilty when we allow for such claims to be published.