Camber Kits

[FAT VTI]

camber kit is probably a good option.
If u go to a tyre shop, make sure u get a 4 WHEEL THRUST ALIGNMENT! if u only get the fronts or rears, the toe will not be corrected to 0.
I have a cd5 with around a 3inch drop. my camber is between -2.5 and -3
as my wheel shop said, its the same amount of camber as mark skaife.

cb7 owner has a good point, this is what v8 supercars have.

onto camber kits, I didnt get one because my tyres were about 100-120 each.
I have 18inch wheels, and my tyres are 215/35/18. The sole reason i didnt get a camber kit was because-
1) too much money at the time
2) with low profile tyres (35) i thought it probably isnt worth it.
My solution-
flip your tyres making the inside edge the outside and the outside the inside when they get bad. I just did mine, can't really remember how many km's is suggested but it depends on ur amount of camber.
So basically im probably getting at least 80% of the wear from my tyres. which isnt bad considering a -2.5 to -3 inches.
i do take it to the extreme though and wait till they are pretty bald before i flip em, but it costs me like...$40 to flip all 4 so im not complaining.
Still thinking of getting a camber kit after my next set of tyres.

[Zdster]

If u go to a tyre shop, make sure u get a 4 WHEEL THRUST ALIGNMENT! if u only get the fronts or rears, the toe will not be corrected to 0.

So according to this, if I go into a tyre store and ask for an alignment you are telling me they wont adjust the toe? Thats just plain wrong.

[tuppelo]

camber kit is probably a good option.
If u go to a tyre shop, make sure u get a 4 WHEEL THRUST ALIGNMENT! if u only get the fronts or rears, the toe will not be corrected to 0.
I have a cd5 with around a 3inch drop. my camber is between -2.5 and -3
as my wheel shop said, its the same amount of camber as mark skaife.

cb7 owner has a good point, this is what v8 supercars have.

onto camber kits, I didnt get one because my tyres were about 100-120 each.
I have 18inch wheels, and my tyres are 215/35/18. The sole reason i didnt get a camber kit was because-
1) too much money at the time
2) with low profile tyres (35) i thought it probably isnt worth it.
My solution-
flip your tyres making the inside edge the outside and the outside the inside when they get bad. I just did mine, can't really remember how many km's is suggested but it depends on ur amount of camber.
So basically im probably getting at least 80% of the wear from my tyres. which isnt bad considering a -2.5 to -3 inches.
i do take it to the extreme though and wait till they are pretty bald before i flip em, but it costs me like...$40 to flip all 4 so im not complaining.
Still thinking of getting a camber kit after my next set of tyres.

You cannot just flip them around as you are suggesting as most of the tyres made these days are directional tyres so if you turn them other way around they make your car becomes noisy as a truck..unnecessary to say that your safety is severely jeopardized .... good luck driving on wet

[FAT VTI]

So according to this, if I go into a tyre store and ask for an alignment you are telling me they wont adjust the toe? Thats just plain wrong.

firstly, they SHOULD adjust it if you get a 4 wheel alignment and ur car is lowered, I've never had them not do it because thats basically one of the main reasons for a wheel alignment.
remember to get a 4 wheel thrust alignment, otherwise your toe wont be set.
beaurepairs is a decent place for wheel alignments, $45 or so. cheapest i could find. they all use the same machine so dont be too worried about going to the chains.

You can not just flip them around as you are suggesting as most of the tyres made these days are directional tyres so if you turn them other way around they make your car becomes noisy as a truck..unnecessary to say that your safety is severely jeopardized .... good luck driving on wet

When they flip my tyres, they flip it on the same wheel, then mount it on the other side.
go see your tyre shop and ask em how else they flip tyres if they're all directional.

So in answer to your theory, My direction is not changed, and my car handles very well in the wet. As for noisy, the hole in my exhaust, along with some tunes makes up for the near impossible noise I can hear coming from my tyres after my direction stays the same. Like a truck? I dont think so mate.

thanks for wishing me good luck in the wet, good luck with your camber issues

[tuppelo]

firstly, they SHOULD adjust it if you get a 4 wheel alignment and ur car is lowered, I've never had them not do it because thats basically one of the main reasons for a wheel alignment.
remember to get a 4 wheel thrust alignment, otherwise your toe wont be set.
beaurepairs is a decent place for wheel alignments, $45 or so. cheapest i could find. they all use the same machine so dont be too worried about going to the chains.



When they flip my tyres, they flip it on the same wheel, then mount it on the other side.
go see your tyre shop and ask em how else they flip tyres if they're all directional.

So in answer to your theory, My direction is not changed, and my car handles very well in the wet. As for noisy, the hole in my exhaust, along with some tunes makes up for the near impossible noise I can hear coming from my tyres after my direction stays the same. Like a truck? I dont think so mate.

thanks for wishing me good luck in the wet, good luck with your camber issues

Thanks

[aaronng]

firstly, they SHOULD adjust it if you get a 4 wheel alignment and ur car is lowered, I've never had them not do it because thats basically one of the main reasons for a wheel alignment.
remember to get a 4 wheel thrust alignment, otherwise your toe wont be set.

So what do they do when you bring a stock car to get an alignment done but don't ask for a "4-wheel thrust alignment"? The only thing you can adjust on a stock car is toe.

[FAT VTI]

So what do they do when you bring a stock car to get an alignment done but don't ask for a "4-wheel thrust alignment"? The only thing you can adjust on a stock car is toe.

im not disagreeing with you aaronng, that sentence was in context with the guy who orignally asked the question due to his camber issues as his car IS lowered. That line was more in relation to a front wheel alignment as opposed to a 4 wheel thrust alignment, and he asked the question of whether or not they adjust toe when you get a wheel alignment. Ofcourse they adjust toe when u get a front wheel alignment, however only with the front wheels. Sorry if i wasn't clear enough there, but i thought it was pretty obvious that if u only get a front wheel alignment your rear toe won't be touched.

As for your last line "the only thing you can adjust on a stock car is toe"
so what your saying is, if you want a wheel alignment on a stock car, the only thing you'll go there for is to adjust the toe?
What about the caster and centering the steering. Most people who do not know what a wheel alignment is, will normally get one because their steering wheel is not centred properly. Please tell me if i misinterpreted.
a great website for anyone who wants to know what wheel alignment are and how they work, what they do and what's good or bad for your car, this is an excellent reference- http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm#Cas

[JasonGilholme]

since when could you adjust the rear toe??

AFAIK we can only adjust the camber at the rear (once you have a camber kit)

[aaronng]

Sorry if i wasn't clear enough there, but i thought it was pretty obvious that if u only get a front wheel alignment your rear toe won't be touched.

Ahh, I see. I agree with you 100% on this.

As for your last line "the only thing you can adjust on a stock car is toe"
so what your saying is, if you want a wheel alignment on a stock car, the only thing you'll go there for is to adjust the toe?

That is how it has been with the majority of stock Hondas.

What about the caster and centering the steering. Most people who do not know what a wheel alignment is, will normally get one because their steering wheel is not centred properly.

You can't adjust/alter castor without a castor kit or by doing other weird and wonderful things like installing an arm upside down. As for centering the steering, that is done through toe adjustment. If your steering wheel was pointing to the right when driving straight, then all they do is to add toe in on the left front wheel and add the equal amount of toe out on the right wheel, so that your steering wheel points straight when you are driving straight. This is the way to do it unless you have messed with the steering rack before, which resulted in a non-centered steering wheel (meaning your toe is centered but the rack isn't). You'd fix this by adjusting the steering rack instead because you want to preserve the left and right-toe relationship so you don't end up with a reduced ability to turn in one direction because of suspension movement limits.

[aaronng]

since when could you adjust the rear toe??

You can on the Euro with stock suspension.

[FAT VTI]

since when could you adjust the rear toe??
AFAIK we can only adjust the camber at the rear (once you have a camber kit)

question answered.
You can't adjust/alter castor without a castor kit or by doing other weird and wonderful things like installing an arm upside down. As for centering the steering, that is done through toe adjustment. If your steering wheel was pointing to the right when driving straight, then all they do is to add toe in on the left front wheel and add the equal amount of toe out on the right wheel, so that your steering wheel points straight when you are driving straight. This is the way to do it unless you have messed with the steering rack before, which resulted in a non-centered steering wheel (meaning your toe is centered but the rack isn't). You'd fix this by adjusting the steering rack instead because you want to preserve the left and right-toe relationship so you don't end up with a reduced ability to turn in one direction because of suspension movement limits.

Understood. Thats sort of what i mean with the thrust alignment, and the whole "toe in adjustment". Wasnt sure how the centred steering was interelated with the toe. Either way, i think if anyone has a question about wheel alignment have a look at that website coz it will probably answer ur question. If not ask aaronng thanks mate

[JasonGilholme]

oops. didn't realise it was for a euro.

I only know about EG/EK/DC chassis lol