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					  Originally Posted by  yfin
					 
				 
				 
Unlike the CTR, where Honda claimed 6.6 seconds. To achieve Honda's time the moon has to align with Uranus, the driver needs to weigh less than 55kg, temperature needs to be 2 degrees, and the launch blessed by the Pope. 
			
		 
	 
 I like those odds.   
 
What's the roll down percentage on the speedo of the FN2? Most cars these days show 8% higher than actual speed.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  bodaas
					 
				 
				ford claimed previous xr6t 6.6s from the review    
			
		 
	 
 Ford quoted 6.6s, but the car gets 5.9s. Honda quoted 6.6s, but the car can only do 6.7 if you follow the 100km/h number on the speedo, which actually means 0-92km/h in 6.7s, not 0-100,
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  m0nty ITR
					 
				 
				What's the roll down percentage on the speedo of the FN2? Most cars these days show 8% higher than actual speed. 
			
		 
	 
 I don't think 8% is the norm at all - I think it is ridiculously off for such a modern car.    
 
So FN2R indicated 100kph = travelling at 92kph 
 
Compared to cars I have had: 
 
1991 Honda Civic indicted 100kph = travelling at 97kph 
Accord Euro indicated 100kph = travelling at 96kph 
Holden VE SS indicated 100kph = travelling at 97kph 
Ford FG XR6 Turbo indicated 100kph = travelling at 99kph
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							correction, this is from car test review 
 
with 2 peoples on board, they claimed xr6t 0-100 6.6 
 
from http://autospeed.com/cms/A_1613/article.html 
 
maybe ford claimed it low 6s
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							On Volkswagen you can display actual via the climatronic unit. At 120km/h on the speedo this morning I was doing 108km/h on the climatronic unit. Makes a big difference between aruns when you travel the F3 every day.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  bodaas
					 
				 
				
			
		 
	 
 November 2002 was a long time ago, many revisions to the XR6T in that time - do you really want to compare your new car to something 6 years old? That test was even before the 6 speed manual gearbox! And even with the 5 speed manual in 2002 they say it was a gentle launch to get 6.6 seconds. And hand timing - old school unreliable test anyway. Giving it just a gentle launch with two people onboard we hand-timed a 0 - 100 km/h sprint in 6.6-seconds. With a bit of practice, though, we reckon the XR could crack 6-seconds flat - seriously cookin'. 
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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					  Originally Posted by  m0nty ITR
					 
				 
				On Volkswagen you can display actual via the climatronic unit. At 120km/h on the speedo this morning I was doing 108km/h on the climatronic unit. Makes a big difference between aruns when you travel the F3 every day. 
			
		 
	 
 how does it work out the actual? Is that via sat nav? GPS really is the best way.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  bodaas
					 
				 
				
			
		 
	 
 With a "gentle launch" and 2 ppl. Imagine if it was the auto with a full bore launch.  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  bodaas
					 
				 
				
			
		 
	 
 Correction, thats only one of many publications...
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  yfin
					 
				 
				lol if that is the case then Ford is being very fair with its quoted 6.6 time on the old 240kw model.  
 
Unlike the CTR, where the testers are struggling to achieve Honda's claimed 6.6 seconds. To achieve Honda's time the moon has to align with Uranus, the driver needs to weigh less than 55kg, temperature needs to be 2 degrees, and the launch blessed by the Pope. 
			
		 
	 
 In otherwords only the Vaticans have achieved this monumental achievement  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by  yfin
					 
				 
				Rolling acceleration is where the Civic Type R is really hurt and that is where day to day driving is. eg 80-120 in 4.8 seconds is an example of the lack of torque. Lots of cars will thrash that and pass the Civic like it is standing still. And i am not saying that to be smart - it is just a weakness in the Civic that you need to work around. Even the base model "taxi" Falcon XT is 80-120 in 4.8 seconds so I personally don't see a contest between many of the cars you list "Xr6t, Xr5T, liberty turbo, 350z..."  
 
The CTR will claw a lot back on the track though... 
			
		 
	 
 Not criticising the above comment, I feel that even if the JDM Type R was imported to  Australia this is the type of comment that  would surface time and time again.A Civic or even a Type R (JDM) Civic never has and probably will never match a turbo competitors in-gear acceleration. 
So....I'm wondering....why all the disappointment with Honda not bringing in the FD2 if some of the comments  clearly show that people are more interested in cars with "low down grunt"(turbos etc) 
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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							Just thought id throw in some figures 
 
CPL Racing UK 
 
0-100kph - 7.2 
0-160kph - 18.3 
Quarter mile - 15.6 @ 149.3km/h 
50-110kph - 7.3 
110-190kph - 20.4 
 
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Speed at indicated 100kph: 92 
0-60kph: 3.7 
0-80kph: 5.3 
0-100kph: 7.8 
0-120kph: 10.3 
0-140kph: 14.0 
0-160kph: -  
0-400m: 15.5 @ 148kph 
 
80-120: 4.8 seconds 
 
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Another - Motor Magazine - September 2007.  
 
0-100km in 7.7 sec 
0-400m in 15.5 @ 148.4kph 
0-1000m in 28.1 sec @ 189.7kph 
80-120 (3rd) 4.8 sec 
100km - 0 in 37.8 metres 
Lap time 1:14.49 (Wakefield) 
Apex speed 80.67km
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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