Diffrence between CVT and ATF oil

[aaronng]

So you guys reckon there is a difference between CVTF and ATF? Im asking because I just bought 4L of Penrite ATF MHP and was planning on using this for my Jazz.

I have always used Penrite and trust the brand and the spec sheet for the ATF says it can be used in CVT if engine capacity is less than 1.6L which the Jazz is.

The reason Honda CVT fluid was developed was because there were problems with the CVT gearbox when run using ATF fluid.

BTW, even for a traditional AT box, Honda ATF is the way to go, not aftermarket. Too many friction problems.

[SiNH]

I see I see. My 2005 Jazz isnt under warranty anymore so thats why Im doing the servicing myself.
According to the Penrite website it says it exceeds the Honda ATF-Z1 specification.

Damn thing, I already bought the 4L bottle of Penrite so I think Ill drop that in and see how it goes, if its not shifting properly then Ill dump it and put in the genuine stuff.

I do find it hard to believe that Honda dealers are going to put in $90 of CVTF in servicing when they can use the regular ATF for about $20 for 4L. Unless of course there are complaints but I am in the belief that the dealers are going to do whats best for their pockets.

Pesimist I am

[aaronng]

I see I see. My 2005 Jazz isnt under warranty anymore so thats why Im doing the servicing myself.
According to the Penrite website it says it exceeds the Honda ATF-Z1 specification.

Damn thing, I already bought the 4L bottle of Penrite so I think Ill drop that in and see how it goes, if its not shifting properly then Ill dump it and put in the genuine stuff.

I do find it hard to believe that Honda dealers are going to put in $90 of CVTF in servicing when they can use the regular ATF for about $20 for 4L. Unless of course there are complaints but I am in the belief that the dealers are going to do whats best for their pockets.

Pesimist I am

There were complaints about the CVT when using ATF. Hence the reason for the CVT fluid being available now. That's also the reason why the 2008 Jazz comes in auto and not CVT anymore.

[lokets]

There were complaints about the CVT when using ATF. Hence the reason for the CVT fluid being available now. That's also the reason why the 2008 Jazz comes in auto and not CVT anymore.

Yes, I can confirm that, I've used regular Honda ATF before in my 2003 Jazz CVT before it started to give jerkiness problems. Then I switched to the more expensive CVT-only fluid & that problem went away. I know it is expensive, but do use the genuine, expensive Honda CVTF, because if the CVT gets damaged, it is very expensive to repair. Yes, I agree too that's probably one reason why Honda 2008 Jazz goes the way of regular 5-speed auto boxes.

[Toli]

My CVT lost its smoothness around 22,000km. Replaced the fluid immediately and its smoother than it ever was. Hanny's said the specified service interval in the manual is way too long. I most certainly agree but then I also enjoy the optimum performance offered by changing my oil every 5,000km rather than 10,000km.

I look at this way. Whatever the price of CVT fluid its a lot less than replacing the gearbox.

I had mine changed for about $75 at the 20k service. With all the issues out there I was a bit concerned so for that little bit extra cost will help mitigate the issues with the CVT.

Coming up to 30k now and touch wood, no issues with the CVT.

[kimo]

You have to use CVT oil. I used to use ATF oil and I end up buying new gearbox.