NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

[denot]

Has any1 or can any1 posted how this "pinging" problem sounds like? I just want to hear how does it sound, how to notice it, etc...

Thanks

[Joystick]

Sludge: Well, that sucks. Mines mainly noticeable between 2-3k RPM under load

Denot: Make sure you have you radio turned off, for me I can hear a metallic like a piece of metal vibrating against another piece of metal sound, not highly obvious. Below 2k RPM the noise is too faint for me to hear and above 3k RPM the engine is working harder and other noises masquerade the pinging sound.

[denot]

Denot: Make sure you have you radio turned off, for me I can hear a metallic like a piece of metal vibrating against another piece of metal sound, not highly obvious. Below 2k RPM the noise is too faint for me to hear and above 3k RPM the engine is working harder and other noises masquerade the pinging sound.

sorry joystick, but Im not really good ad imagening thing... I need an actual proof on how it sounds so I can check with my car (and every1 elses cars who said they dont have this pinging problem). Maybe is a problem for one person, but not for the other? who knows...

[Sludge]

sorry joystick, but Im not really good ad imagening thing... I need an actual proof on how it sounds so I can check with my car (and every1 elses cars who said they dont have this pinging problem). Maybe is a problem for one person, but not for the other? who knows...

Joystick has it about right.

It’s a difficult noise to describe, sounds like a high pitched bubbling noise to me.

When it happens my first thought is that there is something very small floating loose inside the CAT or muffler.

Sorry best I can do, its a bit like trying to explain a mother in-law.

[denot]

thanks anyway guys...

without the real sound clip for me, i will keep on guessing what the the ping stuff wll sounds like.. is it either "knock knock knock" or just one "knock" occacionally, or "clank" or "clank clank clank clank" or is it something like "buzzzzzzz" or "buzzz buzzz buzzz"

now you guys get why I asked the sound clip?

[thewizzrd]

Just received a call from my Honda Dealership. I am going in on Friday for a software upgrade to the latest version. I got my car delivered end of November last year, so there must have been a newer version since. They have advised that this may or may not fix the issue. They pretty much want feedback that they can then pass onto Honda Japan.

I'll let you all know how it goes.

[Sludge]

I had my 6 month service today and had a good chat to the service manager about the pinging.

He said the pinging is defiantly combustion chamber but is too minor to be a concern as far as engine damage goes. Apparently it only happens in the auto because the ECU is programmed different to the manual to smooth out gear changes.

The reason it doesn't happen all the time is because the ECU changes the ignition timing based on temperature, altitude, moisture and a number of other factors. So given the wrong air conditions Ping Ping. He also said that it is only a problem in Australia due to our poor quality refining (the oil companies promised to fix this by 2006 but still haven't). This is the same reason we don't have a diesel version, apparently a test car fouled its injectors after only a few thousand K's due to poor quality fuel.

He said the fix is on the way, however he does not recommend it. He said the remapping of the ECU would retard the ignition to the point that both power and economy would suffer. His suggestion if you can put up with the occasional ping (most people don't even notice it until told about it) is wait until a few others get the upgrade and get their feedback before deciding.

By the way, the service was $186 including the usual free wash. I was expecting a much bigger bill!

[yfin]

He also said that it is only a problem in Australia due to our poor quality refining (the oil companies promised to fix this by 2006 but still haven't).

Sounds like dog turd. Firstly, if fuel in Australia is so poorly refined - why is pinging unheard of in the CL9 (with a K24 too!), other Hondas like the s2000 or other car manufacturers?

Secondly, and this is where the blame the oil companies argument really falls down, and that is around 25% of all fuel in Australia is imported - mostly from Singapore.

Third - many members in the USA with the ACURA TSX have reported this same issue!

Honda will never solve this problem if they keep on blaming everyone else!

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=684180

[VIDSEURO]

I had my 6 month service today and had a good chat to the service manager about the pinging.

He said the pinging is defiantly combustion chamber but is too minor to be a concern as far as engine damage goes. Apparently it only happens in the auto because the ECU is programmed different to the manual to smooth out gear changes.

The reason it doesn't happen all the time is because the ECU changes the ignition timing based on temperature, altitude, moisture and a number of other factors. So given the wrong air conditions Ping Ping. He also said that it is only a problem in Australia due to our poor quality refining (the oil companies promised to fix this by 2006 but still haven't). This is the same reason we don't have a diesel version, apparently a test car fouled its injectors after only a few thousand K's due to poor quality fuel.

He said the fix is on the way, however he does not recommend it. He said the remapping of the ECU would retard the ignition to the point that both power and economy would suffer. His suggestion if you can put up with the occasional ping (most people don't even notice it until told about it) is wait until a few others get the upgrade and get their feedback before deciding.

By the way, the service was $186 including the usual free wash. I was expecting a much bigger bill!

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This just goes to highlight that many dickheads work for Honda.
Is this guy crazy or what.
How can you say that you would not recommend a fix for customers
who are experiencing this ping engine rattle noise.
Honestly Honda needs to get it together and keep all affected customers
updated. My Euro manual luxury has the ping and its a shit noise to put up with. If their fix does not do the job i will blast the shit out their so called
customer service.
Im giving them till the end of March then writting an email.
I will advise you all of their message to us.
Love the car hate the ping.

[eur001]

My car is due for service end of this month. Will talk to the dealer and give your all some updates then.
I like the car too...but hate the sound...even so Honda Australia

This just goes to highlight that many dickheads work for Honda.
Is this guy crazy or what.
How can you say that you would not recommend a fix for customers
who are experiencing this ping engine rattle noise.
Honestly Honda needs to get it together and keep all affected customers
updated. My Euro manual luxury has the ping and its a shit noise to put up with. If their fix does not do the job i will blast the shit out their so called
customer service.
Im giving them till the end of March then writting an email.
I will advise you all of their message to us.
Love the car hate the ping.[/QUOTE]

[FOHonda]

Hi Everyone,

I have a 09 Euro Manual, and it pings quite badly. I've been in contact with Honda Australia HO since October last year...an needless to say I've been less than impressed with their so called 'Customer Service' - many inappropriate statements have been made by them.

The software 'fix' has been received by Honda Australia, but there are issues with it and they have gone back to Japan. So we are all now back to waiting an indeterminate time for Honda to get their act together.

Anyone wanting to complain to Honda Australia direct should send an email to joeg@honda.com.au, kens@honda.com.au and pauls@honda.com.au. I've been in their ear for six months now - to no avail. Don't waste your time with the dealership, they just do what Honda Aus tell them to do. My guess is that not enough people have complained to Head Office, so send away.

Honda have had long enough to address this problem, so I'm now going to get legal advice and progress action against Honda and am also looking into progressing through the Victorian Claims Tribunal (VCAT). Anyone interested in joining forces please post me on this forum and as a group we should have a stronger case.

The car is great, but the engine pinging is a complete joke - Honda need to be held accountable for selling dud cars.

[FOHonda]

I should also mention that I've asked Honda Aus HO several times whether the the 'fix' is actually a fix, and whether the 'fix' will have a detrimental effect on engine performance (power/fuel efficiency etc). Every time I've asked, they've refused to answer my question stating that "they don't have that information so can't answer my questions". BS