NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

[8wg8]

Hi Guys, I just bought a Euro L(03/09) but before i took the car i talked to the manager of honda north shore about the pinging noise and he said the software will be available by mid march(he showing the letter from nz head office), so anyone that have this problem could go back to your dealer and get this problem done but again this pinging noise not happened to anyone.hope this could help

[asimo]

To all the doubters,
I did have the upgrade done at my dealership last Friday. They are doing some field tests with it and I put my hand up. They had engineers in from Japan while I was there, testing out the upgrade on my car. I have been driving it for a week now and as I said before the pinging has been reduced but it is still noticeable but not as much. I did mention to them on Tuesday (after driving the car fro a few days) that I felt the car had lost a bit of it's grunt. They were surprised by that comment and mentioned that on another car they had positive results and it had improved performance.
They will get back to me next week with more news.

Guys,

Be carefull about this fix ! It might decrease you engine power output !

My Euro has aprox 9000 km and, from the beginning, I have experienced low power during acceleration, especially uphill; and very rarely, pinging at low speeds, when engine is cold.

Now, before you say the two have nothing in common, let's look at the first simptom: low power during acceleration.
In the US, Honda have officially acknowledged the problem.
(http://www.allworldauto.com/tsbs/NHT...in_280587.html)
The explanation says:
"VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE AN INTERMITTENT LACK OF POWER DUE TO INTERFERENCE OR NOISE ON THE KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL CIRCUIT"
From service bulletin SB 07-057:
"Interference or noise on the knock sensor circuit can cause the PCM to retartd the ignition, causing a decrease in engine power, usually during acceleration"

The fix for this was a software upgrade for the PGM-FI.

Now, my main problem is low power, so I guess this problem applies to my car.

But Honda Oz only have complains about knocking/pinging (the good people on this thread).

So in other words, if the knock sensor suffers from noise or interference,
that the software can't eliminate, it will erroneously cause low power, even if the engine is not pinging.

But if pinging is the main complaint ( and it is definately a problem for a lot of people) Honda might be tempted to 'mask' it by making the knock sensor more sensitive, or giving it more 'weight' in the software.


So the big question is : are they making the pinging disappear, or are they
giving more 'weight' to the knock sensor's input, resulting in deteriorating engine performance, from noise and interference on the circuit ?!

Honda should be made accountable for the results of their fix.

[asimo]

Car of the year.... ping !


http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/s...2575770015C28C

[Joystick]

If Honda can't correct the pinging issue without any loss of power I'll be asking for my money back.

Just gotta sit tight and see what happens. :/

[VIDSEURO]

Don't be so quick to judge people. That letter you got seems to be a standard canned response to this pinging issue that Honda Australia gives out to anyone asking about it.

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Seems everyone ever so touchy about this matter.
So im sorry to have offended anyone or judged you.
Can the wizzard confirm what dealership he purchased his car from?

I purchased mine from Capital Honda in Phillip.
If the wizzard is legit then good on him, sorry wizzard.

All the best chaps...

[fire88]

hi ,guys ,I'm new here, bought the car 2 months ago ,same probs as everyone.

have been contacting the dealer and the Honda Australia regarding the knocking noise

and low power at pinging time without any happy answer from the Honda Australia, the

manager from Honda said it's normal sound!!!then said they've working on it .I asked if

it's normal why you working on the solution???because you guys complaint it!!!

Off course I'm not happy with .SO I've called VCA and guide one of officers to this thread

and they will be monitoring this issue fro now.because it's not single issue any more.

I've been told to lodge a formal complaint to Honda which I suggest all of us to do it

asap!!!

we are not fools!!!

[eur001]

[QUOTE=Joystick;2185187]If Honda can't correct the pinging issue without any loss of power I'll be asking for my money back.

how possible is this?!

[Joystick]

Probably got bugger all chance but I doubt Honda would reduce power to eleminate the ping. Just seems too risky....

just saw a new nados ad while typing this. All I can say is enjoy!

[buddah51au]

I am not effected by this problem, but if I was I would be very tempted to put the car on a Dyno before & after whatever the fix might be. 3 runs each time on the same Dyno. You would then havea written graph to backup any claims of loss of power instead of just a seat of the pants feeling which in reality means nothing.

[thewizzrd]

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Seems everyone ever so touchy about this matter.
So im sorry to have offended anyone or judged you.
Can the wizzard confirm what dealership he purchased his car from?

I purchased mine from Capital Honda in Phillip.
If the wizzard is legit then good on him, sorry wizzard.

All the best chaps...

Car was purchased from Astoria Honda back in Nov 08

[HVF00T]

FYI
The pinging sound has started in my car after nearly two months of perect running. It is a pinging sound but I can't confirm if it's actually from the engine. It's only audible between 2000 and 3000 RPM. It has only started in the last week. I have only used Vortex 98 since day one. I tried Nulon octane boost last Thursday and if anything the pinging is now slightly worse. The octane boost certainly doesn't help at all.

I have my car booked in for a dyno run tomorrow. My car is booked in for 1000km service next Monday at one of the Honda dealers so I will find out if the fix is applied to my car. If so I will have another dyno run to see if there is any performance change.

Let me know if there is any interest in the results otherwise I won't bother posting.

[VIDSEURO]

FYI
The pinging sound has started in my car after nearly two months of perect running. It is a pinging sound but I can't confirm if it's actually from the engine. It's only audible between 2000 and 3000 RPM. It has only started in the last week. I have only used Vortex 98 since day one. I tried Nulon octane boost last Thursday and if anything the pinging is now slightly worse. The octane boost certainly doesn't help at all.

I have my car booked in for a dyno run tomorrow. My car is booked in for 1000km service next Monday at one of the Honda dealers so I will find out if the fix is applied to my car. If so I will have another dyno run to see if there is any performance change.

Let me know if there is any interest in the results otherwise I won't bother posting.

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Hey buddy

Can i encourage you to lodge a formal complaint using your VIN through
the Honda Web site.

Then give a letter of complaint to the dealer manager.

Im unsure if dyno will prove anything due to the fact that there is awesome noise coming from the rollers of the dyno. The ping noise is faint but audible
for the person who drives the car regularly.
Bloody shame coz the euro gets better with every 1,000 km's.

Anyhow best of luck to everyone who has a euro with this issue.
Hopefull the software update will address the problem.
If not Honda are in deep sh**....