Formula 1 2009 season discussion

[Binny]

as for brawn, i want more info...but it seems that this is basically a 100% honda outfit, except for the merc engines

and i would love to know y brawn decided to go with the MERC engines, prob coz MERC wanted a part of the pwnage car honda had made

i now think that Melb GP results would have been the same if Honda had stayed on board with their F1 team....

Waseem Waseem Waseem, your still a little NUB, it is a well known fact that Brawn (i.e. not honda) chose the famous mercedes engine, because i.) it was a better fit for the chassis and ii.) because they saw last years results of lewis hamilton. As for HONDA they were useless in the f1, and have been for the last 10 years, I think Jenson (CF) Button is also happy that HONDA pulled out and BRAWN took over, before BRAWN he had only ever won one race, and now has trippled that record, personally i am glad honda pulled out to save them from the disgrace they would have had to face by loosing to FORCE INDIA LOL.

[krogoth]

so tell me then why Mclaren are doing shit this year?

[rahul]

Because they have lack of downforce problem which is well documented. Engines arent everything, esp with the no. of engine restrictions these days.

I think the most of the engines from the leading manufacturers (there arent many left!) are pretty much on par in regards to power

If you remember in the late 90's, all the leading teams were coming up with new engine revisions in every couple of races because there were no restrictions.

[krogoth]

^exactly my point

the engines dont have much between them in the end

brawn stuck with the honda chassis because he believed it was a highly competitive setup....why he didnt just stick to Honda engine is a mystery.....could be a financial issue? maybe he could get engines cheaper from Merc, who knows...

brawn is winning because of their Honda chassis........Mclaren and others arent doing so well because they havent caught up in the aerodynamics part of the game

[GreekWarrior]

I dont car what car or driver wins as long as it's not cf

[^^v]

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brawn stuck with the honda chassis because he believed it was a highly competitive setup....why he didnt just stick to Honda engine is a mystery.....could be a financial issue? maybe he could get engines cheaper from Merc, who knows...

brawn is winning because of their Honda chassis........Mclaren and others arent doing so well because they havent caught up in the aerodynamics part of the game

Honda started developing this (RA109 aka BGP001) chassis about 1.5 years ago... earlier than any other team... quite a strategic move by brawn as this year there is NO on track testing what so ever... and restrictions on wind tunnel testing... so for the teams that r behind atm it'll be a some what more difficult job to catch up...

as for not using the Honda engine... Brawn simply had no say in the matter... Honda pulled out FULLY... which means no engines...
but lets say Honda did stick around.... it was no secret that Honda was down on power (60-80hp) on the top engines (merc.. Ferrari)... which is why the FIA allowed the teams which fell behind on the engine department (mainly Honda and Reanult) to claw back in power... so modifications were allowed between the end of the 08 and prior to the start of the 09 seasons (for the respective teams)...
so in theory the Honda engine would have been on par with the mercs n ferraris.... and in combining it with the current chassis (which was originally designed for the Honda engine) it would have been in the same if not better position than it is now...
and this is not taking into consideration the KERS Honda was developing... dun forget they were the FIRST team to test KERS on track back in early 08...

[dahon]

^ agree with ^^v...
to binny:
hondas chassis development started waaaaaay back and the brawn gp outfit is basically 90% honda developed funds.
they chose the merc engines cos they fit the chassis better than the others they could have gotten BUT ofcourse the chassis would better fit the honda engine..
Chassis design is much more of a factor in winning than engine design.. as u can see in this years races..
honda didnt really suck at the sport for 10 years + as they only acquired BAR in late 2005...
their development just got held back by this economic crisis and you can see that from teams spending considerable amounts of money before and putting their ludicrous funding on hold.. the field is narrowing between the privateers and the works outfits.. if only honda held on for a few more months... they still reap some benefits though as everyone still knows brawn gp is the former honda team.. some publicity for the brand which is what f1 basically is...
hondas previous track record in f1 is quite amazing since they totally dominated in the early 90s...

[Binny]

so tell me then why Mclaren are doing shit this year?

Mclaren arent doing shit, the reason why they arent doing as well as BRAWN is because 1. Honda put off all of the 2007 and 2008 season to make their 2009 chasis, and 2. they only recently put in the infamous rear diffuser 1 day before china. Since then KOV and HAM have finished pretty much top 5. Dont be so cocky with your BRAWN car because this is still pretty much the start of the 09 season. BUT and BAR = CFF (Cptn fkn FAG)

[GreekWarrior]

HEY


I came up with that captain faggot name for hamilton, dont steal it <_<

[krogoth]

Mclaren arent doing shit, the reason why they arent doing as well as BRAWN is because 1. Honda put off all of the 2007 and 2008 season to make their 2009 chasis, and 2. they only recently put in the infamous rear diffuser 1 day before china. Since then KOV and HAM have finished pretty much top 5. Dont be so cocky with your BRAWN car because this is still pretty much the start of the 09 season. BUT and BAR = CFF (Cptn fkn FAG)

im not being cocky

u cant get it in ur head that this is a honda car.....and they are doing well because of honda.......full stop

and im not saying they will be the best forever, and i didnt even mention anything about how much longer this success will last

you said that brawn are doing well because of the Merc engine, and I INSIST that that is complete bs

[tRipitaka]

BUT and BAR = CFF (Cptn fkn FAG)

would you be calling them that if they were coming last in the title chase ?



didn't think so.

i believe barrichello and button both deserve this.. they've been in f1 for a long time, and have dealt with a lot.

brawn have the advantage due to the fact that they started R&D a lot earlier than everyone else.

wait til next year.. when everyone else catches up.

[Rekin]

im not being cocky

u cant get it in ur head that this is a honda car.....and they are doing well because of honda.......full stop

and im not saying they will be the best forever, and i didnt even mention anything about how much longer this success will last

you said that brawn are doing well because of the Merc engine, and I INSIST that that is complete bs

Mercedes-Benz FO108W 2.4 litre V8 engines will be supplied to Brawn GP by Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines, and will be installed into a modified Honda RA109 chassis.

Testing of the cars will commence in Barcelona from March 9-12 and continue in Jerez a few days later before the Brawn GP team heads Downunder for the opening round at Albert Park.

Source: http://www.themotorreport.com.au/227...eam-principal/

Keyword there is modified, unless you show proof that it is 100% untouched chassis and all they did was drop in a motor, you cannot claim it to be all honda's work.

After all, I find it hard to believe after spending millions of dollars, 2yrs of production to call it quits at the last minute if they believed they had a winning chassis...You would think they would at least try and get in a race or keep their badge if everything was 100% perfect...

Modifications were taken place to fit the Merc engine and you cant rule out any other modifications happened between March and start of GP.