Formula 1 2009 season discussion

[Binny]

I agree with you ^^v but Krogoth is states in one of his arguments, that there was a possibillity that merrcedes asked honda if they could put the engine in to their car to be a part of the PWNAGE???? this quote is what really got me angry what stupif fk in their right mind would think that, a car company would ask you to use their multi-million dollar engine to be a part of the team, let me guess soon krogoth will believe that they asked force india to put the engine in their car also...., I agree that honda have made the chassis, but their have been modifications made to it under BRAWNS authority, as for getting another 60 -70 hp (not 30hp again ffs) off the existing HONDA engine, i find it hard to believe that they could do it in three months they spent almost 2 years making their 2009 car wouldn't they have already had the engine, its just hard to believe that they spend 2 years making their 2009 car and leave the engine for 3 months.... yea right, so had honda stayed on they wouldn't have gone with the Mercedes engine and hence would have been 60-70hp down, and hence not be doing as well. Even Jenson Button has said that most teams have caught up to BRAWN in the aerodynamics part, and that they dont have the edge over the rest like they did in the first two races. Jenson didn't win Bahrain because he's car was better than the rest, it was because their strategy just panned out as the planned, luckily for them, and anybody would know that had they watched the race (i.e. krogoth).

[krogoth]

look at u on the rags over what i said about the Merc wanting to be a part of the Honda chassis

Sure, why not? A smart company sees a good chassis and spots a healthy investment oppurtunity, why wouldnt they offer their assistance to Brawn?

I'm not saying thats what happend, but its definetley a possibility(ie that there was a possibility that MERC asked BRAWN, not honda, dont put words in my mouth u fk head)

You still cant get it in your fat fukn head.....the BRAWN TEAM = HONDA TEAM, EVERYTHING IS THE SAME

BRAWN was in charge before, and he is in charge NOW, no fkn difference

If honda had not pulled out, this is how it would have played out

1. Since FIA gave Honda and Renault permission to continue development on their engine at the end of the 08 season, they had 3 months to get a power increase

NOW READ THIS PART CAREFULLY, I have spelt it out before MANY TIMES, but ur dumb fkn head seems to always miss it

30hp, should be easily attainable without too much messing around

60-70hp, possible but difficult to attain in 3 months

2. SINCE Brawn was still at Honda and being the TEAM PRINCIPAL and the big guy in CHARGE OF EVERYTHING

He could do whatever he liked, so, had honda stayed, the same controversial diffuser would have been brought in and the decision to run KERRS or not was still in Brawns hand.

3. Strategy is what won the race in Bahrain, I never said it wasnt a factor u stupid simple minded word spinning dickhead

Sure it was a factor that Brawns experience and strategey help his team win races.....but Brawn would have still been there and made the same decisions under the Honda name

4. YES the MERC engine is one of the best in the game....it is a fkn mad engine

It is at least 60hp more powerful than the honda engine in the 08 design, So the MERC engine is a significant factor in Brawns results

BUT had HONDA stayed, they had enough time to improve their engine to a level that would not have been far behind the MERC engine since they wer allowed to continue development

Now U stop being a close minded dickhead, and stop twisting my words, and IT IS MY FKN OPINION that IF HONDA had stayed the same results would have occured

So **** off ur high horse and dont attack me because u disagree with my opinion u fkn dumbass









Disclaimer: i know the user binny personally, we would not hesitate to argue in this rude manner with each other face to face, though i insist he started the shit stirring first, the fkn kunt

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verdicts out on the Maccas 'lie-gate' saga...
3 race 'suspended' ban... so in other words they're free to go unless further facts arises or if they decide to lie again to the FIA within the next 12 months....

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...29130356.shtml

[Lewis_Hamilton]

Hey guys its me Lewis Hamilton.

Looks lets face it, it is a combination of engines AND chassis that win races.

Look at the 08 season, when the back of field were running Ferrari engines and coming dead last, and when some teams were running the Renault motor and winning races.

Could Honda have worked on a winning CHASSIS and ENGINE combination? No one will know. It is ignorant to assume so. If we look back to previous seasons, and in fact history, an educated, unbiased guess would be clearly no. Unless you look till Honda's first year in Honda, they have not won a championship using their own engine/chassis combination. (It was either their inaugural year, or sometime long ago).

I think many out there are missing the point of a F1 teams. Regardless if it raced or developed under a factory, it is just an entity, a name. Ultimately, this will boil down to how long is a piece of string...

Honda started developing the car early 2007/late 2008. In December, effective immediately, Honda racing as a team no longer existed. Then in February Ross Brawn began hes control of operations.

Now, Ross Brawn was hired in 2007, so you could say it was a Brawn car from then, but the car, the factory, the group of engineers came under the entity Honda. Following me so far?

Then Brawn took over operations and for a month, lets assume 2 modifications were made to the car. Do not forget for one second that 1.5 mm adjustment to the front wing makes the world of difference in wet races. Is it the original Honda car? Not entirely. Perhaps if we argued over percentages: 50% Mercedes, 1% Brawn, 49% Honda? Just like when Prodrive brought Glenn Seton Racing and renamed it FPV and MADE modification to the chassis engine, even tho it was the same team members, just a different name, it becomes the FPV car. How long is a piece of string?

What I'm getting at essentially is that its just an entity. I have a (strong) feeling that Honda supporters, especially on this forum are grasping so tight to this name sake for pride and nothing else. Whilst is it probably healthy, I would imagine everyone abandoning this "Honda" car had it been finishing last.

Long and tiresome? Of course.

Nick Fry has said that they are looking for title sponsors. Might not even be a "Brawn" car for long either...

[krogoth]

ok fair enough u make ur point

i hope this isnt som1 else posting up with a different username...

[Binny]

+1, couldn't have said it better myself, as meatloaf would say "you took the words right out of my mouth".

[GreekWarrior]

gg captian faggot, you ****ed team mclaren

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9281.html

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Hey guys its me Lewis Hamilton.

i loled...

[Binny]

gg captian faggot, you ****ed team mclaren

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9281.html

Hey dude its a suspended 3 race ban, that means he can race but if mclaren does something in the next 12 months to bring the sport into dissrepute then and only then will they recieve the three race ban. btw Lewis Hamilton was told to lie by mclaren so they kind of fk'd themselves up. epic nub much?

[Binny]

What a piss weak reply

You know nothing about Brawn or Honda, u just go by ur fan boy band waggoning propaganda that Hamilton fans go by

"Honda said Brawn will have full responsibility for designing, manufacturing, and engineering the team's car."

AS for KERS, Brawn being the Team principal had the choice of whether to use it or dump it......

So I am a BW (band waggoner), I have gone for Lewis Hamilton since his fkn debut race in 2007 and i am a BW, youre the fkn one who just took an interest in f1 because some team called BRAWN GP which has a honda chassis, is PWNING.... I agree with Lewis "I would imagine everyone abandoning this "Honda" car had it been finishing last." and espescially you.

"Honda said Brawn will have full responsibility for designing, manufacturing, and engineering the team's car." really, did they? I thought ROSS BRAWN had no choice in what engine went into the chassis, yet he had full responsibillity? this is a quote from you "HONDA gave BRAWN no choice in what engine to put in the RA109 chassis, they wanted to get the **** out of F1 due to insufficient funds", so they dont let him use their engine but they let him use their chassis hmm puzzling .

[krogoth]

cbf with ur dumb shit

i already explained this to u

[Binny]

cbf with ur dumb shit

i already explained this to u

hardly, your comment was, "honda didn't want to put engine in because it would cost too much and hence the team would be called BRAWN HONDA", which is wrong, Honda would profit if Ross Brawn put the Honda Engine in it because he would have had to pay for it, the reason why he didn't choose it is because its a POS box.

Check and Mate.