newb quest about 1st and 2nd gear

**detasemen88** · 05-05-2009 03:49 PM

My DC5R only has 18,000 km on the odo

my quest:
1. when shifting into 1st gear from any higher gear, are we required to come to almost a complete stop before doing so? cos' i have been trying to shift into 1st gear from 2nd gear or 3rd gear but it seems doesnt allow me to do so, until i come to almost a complete stop. pulling off from the 2nd gear is not a problem at all.

2. when the car is not fully warmed up, i found that engaging the 2nd gear take a bit more effort compared to when the car is fully warmed up. but shifting to any other gears is not a problem.

i have already replaced the Gear Oil 2 weeks ago.

**45SET** · 05-05-2009 03:55 PM

1. Most cars with synco-mesh don't like changing into 1st from a higher gear unless fully stopped, or close to it.

2. Common problem with the K-seires gearboxs is the knotchy gearbox (1st-2nd for Pre-facelift, 2nd-3rd for facelift). Only option you have is to either live with it, or get a new gearbox that dosn't have this problem.

**detasemen88** · 05-05-2009 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by 45SET

1. Most cars with synco-mesh don't like changing into 1st from a higher gear unless fully stopped, or close to it.

2. Common problem with the K-seires gearboxs is the knotchy gearbox (1st-2nd for Pre-facelift, 2nd-3rd for facelift). Only option you have is to either live with it, or get a new gearbox that dosn't have this problem.

Thanks Mate!!! gald to hear that nothing wrong with my Tranny/ gearbox... Yes mine is a pre-facelift DC5 R, so i guess it's normal

**45SET** · 05-05-2009 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by detasemen88

Thanks Mate!!! gald to hear that nothing wrong with my Tranny/ gearbox... Yes mine is a pre-facelift DC5 R, so i guess it's normal

As bad as it sounds, yes its "normal".

Just keep using the OEM gearbox fluid, let the car warm up before you do any high RPM/quick shifts, and it'll be fine.

Another thing that works is when you change from 1st-2nd, push the gearstick to the left (When you are pushing it down), this seems to work for a fair few people.

**detasemen88** · 05-05-2009 04:28 PM

thanks so much 45SET !!! Really appreciate your input. I read somewhere that our 1st and 2nd gear have 'triple cone' Synchro.... you know what this cone synchro are supposed to do? is this the reason for the difficult 2nd to 1st gear shifting you mention

**flipfire** · 05-05-2009 04:36 PM

From what ive been told downshifting to 1st gear is a bad idea. 1st gear is used as a push to get the car rolling. You have to slow down heaps to get it in gear. Go from 2nd to neutral if your stopping.

**45SET** · 05-05-2009 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by detasemen88

thanks so much 45SET !!! Really appreciate your input. I read somewhere that our 1st and 2nd gear have 'triple cone' Synchro.... you know what this cone synchro are supposed to do? is this the reason for the difficult 2nd to 1st gear shifting you mention

Have heard of it before, but don't know what it is (Or made up of) off the top of my head. Have a search on google for some information on what "triple cone" synchro mesh is.

**detasemen88** · 05-05-2009 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by flipfire

From what ive been told downshifting to 1st gear is a bad idea. 1st gear is used as a push to get the car rolling. You have to slow down heaps to get it in gear. Go from 2nd to neutral if your stopping.

yes, i think so.... well it's just that there is a lot of stop bump around my house. so i gotta slow down, but often i want to pull up from 1st gear, but often the car does not allow me(unless i have stopped or almost stopped), so i gotta pull up from the 2nd gear..

**detasemen88** · 05-05-2009 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by 45SET

Have heard of it before, but don't know what it is (Or made up of) off the top of my head. Have a search on google for some information on what "triple cone" synchro mesh is.

I have done a Google search , but nothing elaborate on that terms. anyway thanks heaps 45SET !!!

I guess i am fine then

**flipfire** · 05-05-2009 06:04 PM

You should be able to clear humps and bumps (like in car parks) on 2nd gear, just go light on the clutch

**koevi** · 06-05-2009 01:58 PM

If you really want to shift into 1st gear while still moving slowly, just clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out and give it a good rev then quickly clutch in and u should be able to put it into first. (Y)

**CRXDEL501** · 06-05-2009 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by koevi

If you really want to shift into 1st gear while still moving slowly, just clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out and give it a good rev then quickly clutch in and u should be able to put it into first. (Y)

that would work.
but i dont recommend doing this.
its not good for the gearbox at all.
if you want to screw your box.. go right ahead.
each to their own.