K series NA or B series Turbo???

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hmm.... i'll put my 2 cents here.

a couple of months ago i was handed the keys to a 190kw@wheel civic with k24... was pretty much built off its nuts... i took it for a wrap and yes there was slight traction loss through 3rd gear but it was somehow missing the "fun" factor, things werent zooming past me and all i can hear is a high pitched vtec screaming.

now thinking back to when i had my dc2r turbo... mmmm.... nothing like the sound of vtec hitting at 4700rpm then the wastegate cracking open at 5000rpm... damn then seeing 8500rpm limiter, that was a "fun" car to drive. didnt have a built motor, just standard internals which pumped out 268kw@wheels@16psi on drag tune (5th gear wheel spin) managed a 12.2@125mph, thats with a bogged launch. i use to drive it everyday with a street tune of 222kw@wheels on 11psi and never missed a beat. my ex gf used to drive it alot too but never hit boost. even once had a lamborghini gallardo pull up next to me on the cumberland hwy... poor guy.... put him to shame at the end of 4th gear by half a car length.

so yea, thats my 2 cents.... i think i want another boosted honda....

Sorry but how were you pushing 16psi on standard internals/compression. I wouldnt believe that till i sore it.

[AH_HUH]

Sorry but how were you pushing 16psi on standard internals/compression. I wouldnt believe that till i sore it.

dude i just showed u a dyno sheet, plus car with rego that matches the dyno sheet.

ppl that can vouch for my car are jdmyard, insight motorsports, is motor racing, toda and birrong automotive because i returned the car back to stock atleast 3 times

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as i said before, im not doubting you but personally i wouldnt believe it until i sore it for my own eyes. Plus theres no where stating what compression ratio your running etc to tell me its stock internals otherwise. I'm running my eg upto 20 pound in a few weeks and i could tell every my internals were stock also. Sorry dude im not trying to discredit you but i just cant see that motor stock taking 16 pound and not exploding. and also anyone can get a stock b series with stock compression and boost it upto 16psi for 2 minutes on one dyno run and cross your fingers that nothing gives way just so you can get a dyno sheet that has 268kw.

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maybe someone else can vouch for this cos if its true then i will be blown away.

[kwayzivietnamese]

yeah no problems .. ill vouch for AH_HUH ... on a PARTIAL very very SAFE tune, i made 230fwkw with over 400Nm of torque on 11psi with my unopened spoon crate motor .. powertune can vouch for it, as well as the fact that it would have handled 16psi easy and pushed well over 250 ... its all in the tuner .. if you have a good tuner, then your motor and setup are in safe hands


Here is a clip of it with the partial tune, slammed all around with -4 camber and bald tyres
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&h...&v=wOwADCYIcfg
Tell me that aint fun lol

[AH_HUH]

wham bam thank u mam. i rest my case.

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sorry kwayzivietnamese i've heard of people pushing them as high as 11psi and thats something i can definitely believe as many people do it but 16psi is a different story. I need someone who can vouch for his car on 16psi or another b series running 16psi.

[AH_HUH]

call scott from insight motorsports, he is the one who tuned it and it shows 60 something runs that he had to do to get it right on the dyno.

[kwayzivietnamese]

sorry kwayzivietnamese i've heard of people pushing them as high as 11psi and thats something i can definitely believe as many people do it but 16psi is a different story. I need someone who can vouch for his car on 16psi or another b series running 16psi.

Umm if you didnt realise ... a spoon crate motor runs much higher compression then your standard type r b18c7 motor .. so running 11psi on my spoon crate motor is as good as running 15-16psi on a standard b18c7 motor.
Having said that ... you got 2 setups right infront of you .. both that have dyno sheets to back them up as well as a video of mine ... both setups were daily driven .. both were unopened standard internals, and both have reputable tuning houses that will vouch for it as they tuned it themselves first hand ... mate doesnt get any more solid proof then that ...

[hotdc2]

i'm curious as to what a spoon crate motor is? what differentiates it from a stock standard b18? how do you run higher compression with same internals as a stock motor?

sorry for noob qs but gotta learn somehow?

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Correct me if im wrong but isnt the spoon crate motor a little stronger? yeh it may have a slightly higher comp ratio but it is stronger right?

Listen guys im not trying to get you fired up but ive blown a high comp setup myself running 7psi. It wasnt a tune because the map was fine. and the engine was fresh out of japan with less than 60 thou on it. Sorry to doubt you guys its just hard for me to believe as alot of others have blown there setups on much less than 16psi before also.

[AH_HUH]

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the spoon crate motor a little stronger? yeh it may have a slightly higher comp ratio but it is stronger right?

Listen guys im not trying to get you fired up but ive blown a high comp setup myself running 7psi. It wasnt a tune because the map was fine. and the engine was fresh out of japan with less than 60 thou on it. Sorry to doubt you guys its just hard for me to believe as alot of others have blown there setups on much less than 16psi before also.

stronger it is not. just blueprinted with higher compression. no sleeves etc to strengthen it.

all comes down to quality of parts and ur tuner. u get for what u pay for.