Will Hondata Not Solve Low End Torque?

[jaeyon]

The S2000 doesn't actually lack low end torque. It just appears to because it has so much power up top. If you compare an MX5 and S2000 in the 0-6000 rpm range the S2000 lacks nothing.

+1. especially when compared to a rex the s2k down low is actually pretty good.

if you want more down low power there is a common saying "there is no replacement for displacement", a 2litre na which revs to 9000rpm will only have so much power down low

[l3vnd1]

+1. especially when compared to a rex the s2k down low is actually pretty good.

if you want more down low power there is a common saying "there is no replacement for displacement", a 2litre na which revs to 9000rpm will only have so much power down low

I agree with what you have said above.

However here's what gets me: the DC2R has a smaller engine (1.8L) and is much more torquey down low than the S2K - even with a 5 speed gearbox.

Is it the weight? Or is it the fact that its rev limiter is 500rpm lower and the engine is mapped slightly lower down?

DC2R VTEC engagement - 5600rpm (or is it 5400rpm?)
S2000 VTEC engagement - 62000rpm?

[9large]

However here's what gets me: the DC2R has a smaller engine (1.8L) and is much more torquey down low than the S2K - even with a 5 speed gearbox.

That's not really true. What you're "feeling" is not necessarily accurate. There are a few reasons why you may "feel" the DC2R is "much more torquey" down low.

- Yes, it's about 70 kilos lighter;
- It has much shorter gearing. It's final drive is also 4.40:1 stock versus 4.10:1 stock for the S2000;
- Brainwashing from journo's.

The F20C's torque curve is actually quite flat, and it produces more torque than the B18C5. Everywhere. Check out the dyno charts. It bewilders me why so many Australian mags crapped on about the S2000's "lack of torque". Compared to what?! It is only a NA 2.0L. Ever driven an RX8? It has much shorter gears and a 4.78:1 FD, and it's still gutless!

[l3vnd1]

That's not really true. What you're "feeling" is not necessarily accurate. There are a few reasons why you may "feel" the DC2R is "much more torquey" down low.

- Yes, it's about 70 kilos lighter;
- It has much shorter gearing. It's final drive is also 4.40:1 stock versus 4.10:1 stock for the S2000;
- Brainwashing from journo's.

The F20C's torque curve is actually quite flat, and it produces more torque than the B18C5. Everywhere. Check out the dyno charts. It bewilders me why so many Australian mags crapped on about the S2000's "lack of torque". Compared to what?! It is only a NA 2.0L. Ever driven an RX8? It has much shorter gears and a 4.78:1 FD, and it's still gutless!

Firstly its about 180Kg lighter

My dad had an S2000 and used to drive it regularly. I now own a DC2R and am looking to sell and go back to the magical S2K.

The short gearing may contribute as well but its one thing to read about a car and its another to drive....

I found with the S2K that if you're in the right gear (not necessarily VTEC); there is no shortage of torque. you need to know how to drive it.

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Firstly its about 180Kg lighter

My dad had an S2000 and used to drive it regularly. I now own a DC2R and am looking to sell and go back to the magical S2K.

The short gearing may contribute as well but its one thing to read about a car and its another to drive....

I found with the S2K that if you're in the right gear (not necessarily VTEC); there is no shortage of torque. you need to know how to drive it.

My bad - I mistakenly had the DC5's specs in mind. Almost 200 kilos and a 4.78:1 FD will make a big difference in responsiveness. Also, just to clarify, I meant to say that magazines over time can propagate generalisations and convince those none-the-wiser - even if the occasionally drive the car.

You are highlighting something important about the S2000 though - it does not reward lazy drivers.

[l3vnd1]

My bad - I mistakenly had the DC5's specs in mind. Almost 200 kilos and a 4.78:1 FD will make a big difference in responsiveness. Also, just to clarify, I meant to say that magazines over time can propagate generalisations and convince those none-the-wiser - even if the occasionally drive the car.

You are highlighting something important about the S2000 though - it does not reward lazy drivers.

Indeed. Thats why I love it.