White foam looking bar behind front bumper

**eght** · 15-05-2009 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Sir_vtec

Dude man.

Something called "a fussy buyer"

I am a fussy buyer i would probably take the bumper off if i was buying a car and there are many "fussy buyers" like me.

Also some dodgey repairs wont replace the absorber if they know you know jack all about whats behind the front bar.

mate are you trying to tell me that you're going to remove and install your front bar every time a buyer comes to inspect your vehicle? Thats just plain stupidity. Thats as ignorant as saying you're going to remove the gearbox to inspect the clutch and flywheel just because your a fussy buyer. utter ignorance. While you're at it why don't you disassemble the engine and inspect its internals?

And besides that fact, how many fussy buyers are there? Fussy buyers are a minority and in my books, time wasters. In my eyes they come and inspect a vehicle and demand a perfect vehicle. Well buddy, if your so fussy and are concerned with whats behind the front bar, go buy a brand new car.

Also, do you think sellers are going to let you take apart their valuable asset? Of course not. Again if you want to try and argue this, thats just plain ignorance. No one is going to let some john smith take apart their vehicle.

**eght** · 15-05-2009 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by HoBoz

You can just pop the hood and have a look, you'll see it so please check before you make a idiot of yourself

firstly, we dont know what vehicle he has.

You can just pop the hood and have a look, you'll see it so please

all i have to say is, have a nice day fool.
theres no point in trying to reason with fools

**HoBoz** · 15-05-2009 11:35 AM

[QUOTE=eght;2266025]firstly, we dont know what vehicle he has. QUOTE]

Originally Posted by eght

as you can see dsp and hoboz from the service manual diagram, how can you POSSIBLY look for the foam absorber when your inspecting a vehicle unless you have x-ray vision?

Whya re u assuming we all need x ray vision to see it then? Get your facts straight before you say anything please

**dsp26** · 15-05-2009 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by eght

yeah i understand as valid assumptions but if the vehicle had been involved in a accident that destroyed the foam bar, there would be 1. other tell tale signs as you've mentioned above and 2. i'm sure the repairer would replace the foam bar. I think the valid assumption would be in regards to the foam bar is, if the foam bar is brand new then it is likely it was replaced due to an accident. Not simply because its missing..that's a fools assumption.

funnily enough most don't. i have had first hand experience with this and a few others.. and i'm willing to name a few said body repair shops via PM too so as to not openly 'defame'

The said support bar was included in the repair quote. It was neither repaired or replaced but simply removed.... why? because it's an easy $300 pocket money for the 'dodgy repairer'. But A LOT of repairers do this for the foam+support beam.

got nothing to do with 'fools assumption".... thats what YOU are assuming.... i'm telling you what happens in the industry.

and Sir_Vtec is right about fussy buyers. When the time comes for me to sell my car, i'm willing to open up my rocker cover to show the internals for the build that was performed as long as the buyer is serious and puts a deposit down.. enough for me to replace the gaskets. Experienced car buyers will check EVERYTHING. There are many tell-tale signs of an acco car, but at the possibility the acco was minor and the bumper was replaced you'd still check for those things.

**eght** · 15-05-2009 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by dsp26

funnily enough most don't. i have had first hand experience with this and a few others.. and i'm willing to name a few said body repair shops via PM too so as to not openly 'defame'

The said support bar was included in the repair quote. It was neither repaired or replaced but simply removed.... why? because it's an easy $300 pocket money for the 'dodgy repairer'. But A LOT of repairers do this for the foam+support beam.

got nothing to do with 'fools assumption".... thats what YOU are assuming.... i'm telling you what happens in the industry.

and Sir_Vtec is right about fussy buyers. When the time comes for me to sell my car, i'm willing to open up my rocker cover to show the internals for the build that was performed as long as the buyer is serious and puts a deposit down.. enough for me to replace the gaskets. Experienced car buyers will check EVERYTHING. There are many tell-tale signs of an acco car, but at the possibility the acco was minor and the bumper was replaced you'd still check for those things.

Yeah I've read the AAMI dodgy repair thread haha.

I was referring to the assumption that if the foam absorber is missing means the vehicle had been in an accident is a fools assumption. I'm saying that there are much more applicable assumptions to make that result in the same conclusion that dont involve going to all that trouble to check whether the foam absorber is there or not. As i agreed with you before, you said mismatched panels, different colours in the engine bay etc would already put you off the vehicle before you even get to whats behind the front bar.

If the buyer puts down a deposit then sure anyone would be happy to go to such extents. After the buyer puts down a deposit, doesnt matter whether hes a tight arse buyer or a fussy buyer as hes already put his money where his mouth is. However there are more fussy buyers on a budget then baller fussy buyers and this means more than likely they're not going to put down a deposit before they ask you to turn your vehicle inside out. So hence the question, are you willing to potentially waste time, resources and the possibility of devaluing your asset everytime a fussy buyer inquires about your vehicle? The answer is obviously no.

**dsp26** · 15-05-2009 12:01 PM

^^^lol

i'm getting mixed up with who i was speaking to... so many different convo's in this thread. but yeah agreed

and yes my experience was also with one of AAMI's "preferred repairer".. the other was with an Allianz "preferred repairer". both accos happened to my Nissan 2 weeks apart not my fault lol, front then rear.

**eght** · 15-05-2009 12:07 PM

haha yeah. You definently need to know your rights when dealing with insurance companies and never ever let your insurance company decide who your repairer is! Legal advice is definently recommended.

off - topic..are you at work dsp26? because i am. OH makes me so unproductive haha. and bad luck...getting hit in the front and rear within a month would be stressful dealing with insurance companies :S

**dsp26** · 15-05-2009 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by eght

haha yeah. You definently need to know your rights when dealing with insurance companies and never ever let your insurance company decide who your repairer is! Legal advice is definently recommended.

off - topic..are you at work dsp26? because i am. OH makes me so unproductive haha. and bad luck...getting hit in the front and rear within a month would be stressful dealing with insurance companies :S

yeah i am at work.. coz my net got capped at home lol. i feel the need to help out here and there

**neo_phase** · 15-05-2009 01:06 PM

Is it bad when I'm not doing the work I'm supposed to do at work and spend time on OH instead?

NRMA was really efficient with my accident and even managed to get the car hire cost reimbursed from the other insurance party. Un-worrying indeed

**Sir_vtec** · 15-05-2009 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by eght

mate are you trying to tell me that you're going to remove and install your front bar every time a buyer comes to inspect your vehicle? Thats just plain stupidity. Thats as ignorant as saying you're going to remove the gearbox to inspect the clutch and flywheel just because your a fussy buyer. utter ignorance. While you're at it why don't you disassemble the engine and inspect its internals?

And besides that fact, how many fussy buyers are there? Fussy buyers are a minority and in my books, time wasters. In my eyes they come and inspect a vehicle and demand a perfect vehicle. Well buddy, if your so fussy and are concerned with whats behind the front bar, go buy a brand new car.

Also, do you think sellers are going to let you take apart their valuable asset? Of course not. Again if you want to try and argue this, thats just plain ignorance. No one is going to let some john smith take apart their vehicle.

You are ignorant.

Removing a bumper is a 5min job man. how can you compare removing a bumper to removing a gearbox.
If a buyer inspects my car and asks me to remove the bumper... yes i will remove it because its a 5 MINUTE JOB

Unless your trying to tell me it takes you 1hr to remove or fitting a bumper? ROFL

So justify why its stupidity to remove a bumper if a buyer asks you to???? And why are u talking about taking motors and gearboxs apart when the level of difficulty is different to dismantling a bumper???? LOL you doushe...

Also, if a seller knows his car inside out and he/she will take the bumper off for you. BECAUSE we are on a honda forum most sellers on here know their shit so i think theyd be happy to take it off for you if you ask nicely.