NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

[CU2 Euro 09]

Didn't the 240Z eventually turn into the 370Z?

[buddah51au]

Didn't the 240Z eventually turn into the 370Z?

[denot]

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If I won Lotto, I would buy a Nissan GTR. No, wait a minute, An Aston Martin DB9....

Heck I buy a copter instead! no traffic jam FTW!!!

[buddah51au]

A 911S would do this old fella nicely, as long as it was white......lol

[denot]

A 911S would do this old fella nicely, as long as it was white......lol

shush buddah

[buddah51au]

shush buddah

That comment was meant for you MR DENOT & you took the bait - hook, line & sinker......lol

[SPQR]

I was going to make an observation of this thread and an assessment of it's usefulness but then I remembered what happened the last time I opened my keyboard.

[Bilt]

Buddah, you keep referring to this being a dead issued and the matter being resolved. Given my car still pings I don't feel so. It's probably similar to Irvings as I can only hear minimal pinging sometimes (not always) and only when the windows are shut. My wife can not hear it from her side of the car.

My question to you is are you able to elaborate how the fix should be applied, ie correctly. What order ? Do we now need to tell Honda how to apply a fix ?

In any case, I'm curious as I'm more than happy to advise them on how to apply the fix if you know given they can't apply it themselves.

What Honda Dealer do you go to ? I'm happy to contact them or have my Honda Dealer call them direct to explain this to them.

Too be honest, I doubt there's a difference.

In any case, I'm curious. Just seems strange to me that Honda is not seeking feedback from it's customers rather than just sweep this whole issue under the carpet.

If they are reading this web site then it's strange they have not contacted you and or your dealer to ascertain what they did differently.

As I said above I doubt they have done anything differently. I think you have just been extremely lucky.

Reason I say this is why would Honda write to me and anyone else and say in the response that you will hear some minimal post combustion noise if the issue is fully resolved. See my earlier feedback where I attached my response from Mr Ken Sheppherd.

Just curious and confused to be honest. Overall extremely dissapointed as this could have been a great car but Honda just don't get it. They also don't give a dam about their customers. Especially their valued clients. No such thing with this Micky Mouse company.

Amateurs!

Would be interested in your feedback buddah.

Buddah-

1- If the pinging problem has been rectified then why does my friends 3 month old CU2 ping like crazy ?? Oh, if there is a problem each individual owner has to go through the anguish, inconvenience and hassle of getting HA or their dealer to move on this. The proof is in the driving and Honda are still selling vehicles with the problem.
2- Blind Freddy can see how Honda screwed up the engine. The CL9 had NO PINGING PROBLEM, the CU2 does, if that's not srewing something up then I don't know what is . Also, this forum with a massive 86 pages ( so far) of debate on the subject proves that their is a huge problem with many disgruntled owners.
3- as stated earlier and I'll repeat, the CU2 feels gutless when directly compared to a CL9, this should not be the case. Is Honda going down the same path as the original 240Z which was light and nimble and then with each successive model (260Z/280Z)grew fat and lazy ?
4-I agree CU2 is much better than the CL9 in many areas, the sharpness of steering , poise and lack of float really impressed me, as well as the faultless build quality. It's just the rotten pinging which leaves me shaking my head.
5- Thank goodness for choice, you stick with the CU2 but I know I'd buy a CL9 over one any day.

I admit there "WAS" a pinging problem but that is now a dead issue once the update is applied correctly.

There may be 86 pages on this thread, BUT HOW MANY RELATE DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE. less than 1/2.

I do not find my CU2 gutless, you refer to the 240Z, well in fact i did own a 1974 240Z (along with the standard option of a whining differential which was never cured) & there is no doubt in my mind the CU2 is a quicker, better handling & more economical car. If my memory serves me correctly, the 240Z given a long straight road would top out at about 225kph. The CU2 Auto beats that by some margin & is still reasonably stable.

You go ahead & stick with your CL9, I will stick with my CU2 which is a major improvement over the previous model.

Each to their own & by the way, can you name a perfect car. how about a Ferrari F430, who wouldn't love to own 1 regardless of the known problem of fire in the engine compartment.[/QUOTE]

[denot]

Btw, since mine wa fix mid oct last year, 2 of other friends with cu2 ha got theirs fixed as well and so far no pinging. We all done this @ scotts honda artarmon nsw.

[buddah51au]

[QUOTE=Bilt;2605070]Buddah, you keep referring to this being a dead issued and the matter being resolved. Given my car still pings I don't feel so. It's probably similar to Irvings as I can only hear minimal pinging sometimes (not always) and only when the windows are shut. My wife can not hear it from her side of the car.

My question to you is are you able to elaborate how the fix should be applied, ie correctly. What order ? Do we now need to tell Honda how to apply a fix ?

In any case, I'm curious as I'm more than happy to advise them on how to apply the fix if you know given they can't apply it themselves.

What Honda Dealer do you go to ? I'm happy to contact them or have my Honda Dealer call them direct to explain this to them.

Too be honest, I doubt there's a difference.

In any case, I'm curious. Just seems strange to me that Honda is not seeking feedback from it's customers rather than just sweep this whole issue under the carpet.

If they are reading this web site then it's strange they have not contacted you and or your dealer to ascertain what they did differently.

As I said above I doubt they have done anything differently. I think you have just been extremely lucky.

Reason I say this is why would Honda write to me and anyone else and say in the response that you will hear some minimal post combustion noise if the issue is fully resolved. See my earlier feedback where I attached my response from Mr Ken Sheppherd.

Just curious and confused to be honest. Overall extremely dissapointed as this could have been a great car but Honda just don't get it. They also don't give a dam about their customers. Especially their valued clients. No such thing with this Micky Mouse company.

Amateurs!

Would be interested in your feedback buddah.

I personally do not know what the sequence is, all I can report is that I was with the Technician during the complete update on my car. If memory serves me correctly he said the TSB from Honda Japan was very vague in it's explanation of the process. Apparently the first vehicle they applied the update to was in the workshop for over a week until he worked out the correct sequence. I do remember him saying 1 of the problems was that some ECU's would not recognise the update, which did cause a few problems until a way around that problem was found.

I was there last week getting parts for my 25K service & mentioned that there was some feedback on this website that the update was not completely successful on all vehicles. The comment given to me was they have carried out the update on over 50 vehicles, 1 of which still has a very minor problem, but apparently that customer only hears it infrequently & is not concerned, but they are going to do it again & see what develops. That particular vehicle was 1 of the ones that the ECU would not recognise the update.

I personally don't know this Ken Sheppherd, but my guess is he works for Honda Australia. As I have previously stated, HA have virtually no control over this or any other recurring problems with Honda's, they are strictly importers & distributors. Any problems need to be referred back to the Manufacturer, which by the way is the case with ALL imported vehicles.

The only downside to the update (if you can call it a downside) is that the RPM cut out has reduced from about 6900rpm to about 6500, but I personally rarely take it to the cut out, top speed is achieved at just over 5000.

Gladstone Motor World is my Dealer.

[buddah51au]

I know this is off topic, but I have been readin some articles on a Porsche forum & apparently it is not uncommon to have engine failures < 40,000miles (60,000km). I would suggest that is very rare withe Honda Engines.

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The same thing happen to me. It is the IMS. Sorry, the engine is gone. My failed about 3 weeks ago. Still waiting on Porsche to say if they will fix it or not. Did you buy the car new or is it a CPO car? My is a 05 with only 12K miles, but I did not but it as a CPO. If Porsche decided not to fix it which they should, you are looking at a $20k bill? I should find out before the end of the year if they will fix my car or not. If not I was thinking of getting a lawyer. Are you in the NY area? Where is the car now? Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

[buddah51au]

This pinging issue on the remaining cars needs to be resolved and it's ridiculous for HA to say otherwise. The least HA must do is to re-do the SW upgrade on the remaining cars.
My dealer has offered to run a barrage of test on my CU2 and pass the data onto HA. However, I think the SW upgrade should be re-done first and then we can look at further diagnostics.

If this issue is approached in a methodical manner, I am certain that this issue can be resolved without further aggravation.

Irving, The software upgrade was done by Honda Japan, not HA. But Yes, if some cars still have a problem the update should be redone.