Lets Talk d-series

[Chr1s]

You need to learn what the term love means . You use it so loosely hahah

[TODA AU]

What da hell do you mean I'm buying parts that don't exist? You freaken calling me a liar or something? Well I hate to break the terrible truth to ya but Exedy lightened flywheel do exist for the D-Series. Here's the packaging I have at home to 'prove' that I did really buy the parts.

You may be a respected tuner... blah blah blah, but seriously that post just made you sound like a douchebag. I'm simply looking at my options cause if I don't need to go B-series for my power expectations then I won't, providing it'll be a realistic with $$$. At the end I may end up with the B-series but it doesn't help to do some research, which you obviously haven't done in regards to the D-series flywheel. Do your research before you acuse someone next time, it's sad.

Mate, I just assumed you were ripped off buying fake parts... (this does happen)
Anyway, to be honest, I didn't look too hard to see if the product had become available...My bad...
Anyway since you made. I did check & it was added in Feb 2008...
There you go... You're right, I'm wrong... (About the flywheel)

As for your other comments going off the deep end...
Mate, you're taking it way too personally...
Fair enough you want to do your "Research"

But you really aught to listen to the advice you've been given.
Not just but me, but others who build & tune cars.
Unless someone wants to sell you some rubbish for your D,
Everyone in the industry says the same thing. Haven't you noticed that yet?
It's not a fluke.

This should utterly dominate your reasearch....

Myths of grunt master D-series engines online posted by dreamers should not...

In a nut shell, you're considering modifying a D...
This is not a smart thing to do... (or politely, a very bad idea)
The return on investment is appalling...
(particularly since you want value for money)
You don't need to take another step down this path...

You can walk away...


So call me what you want...
But in years to come, you'll look back & know that prick from Toda was right...
D-series

[Alexx]

D --> B, its a natural progression. Been there done that, wont look back

[TODA AU]

^^ Yes,something SOME will never get lol

Adrian,my one wish would be for U to sign up on d-series.org and say what U say about the d here,there.

I would LOVE for U to 'tell' all these guys who are PASSIONATE about the d-series engine just what a piece of shit it is,would LOVE that!

Post results hehe

I am not poor but I dont have money either

LOL.. What for?
People who are fanatical about stupid things are like religious zealots.
They want the pain...
Me… I don’t care enough to bother…
& there is little chance anything I said would make a difference...

[Chr1s]

lmfao zealots

[TheSaint]

hrm ... D series has been cheap fun ... but i wouldnt go so far to say im passionate about it like i was about my B series

[will13]

For me, I just want to know what i can get out of it. I'm not spending loads of money, just a little here and there

and for those that keep coming into the d series thread and telling us to get B's...do you find us telling you to go get K20's instead? It's the same thing.

And if you say "but a b is actually fast"...its all relative. a turbo D can smoke a B. why dont we all go and do F20C / H22 / K20/4 conversions instead?

Rather than spending $3000 straight up for a swap, spending $300 here and there every now and then makes it affordable to do some mods NOW.

I can spend less than what it costs for a swap and be making the same power as a stock b16a2, the only real difference is that i have lower power ceiling than the B.

B series has been done to death in this country. I'd like to do something different. For a while anyway.

It also comes down to what we're trying to achieve, I don't understand why people constantly feel the need to try and talk people out of what they want to do. The ones who go ahead with it obviously have a purpose in mind, and who is anyone to try and make them do otherwise?

So can we get back to discussing D series things rather than B swaps like everywhere else on the forum? Let the thread serve its purpose

[NightKids]

Mate, I just assumed you were ripped off buying fake parts... (this does happen)
Anyway, to be honest, I didn't look too hard to see if the product had become available...My bad...
Anyway since you made. I did check & it was added in Feb 2008...
There you go... You're right, I'm wrong... (About the flywheel)

As for your other comments going off the deep end...
Mate, you're taking it way too personally...
Fair enough you want to do your "Research"

But you really aught to listen to the advice you've been given.
Not just but me, but others who build & tune cars.
Unless someone wants to sell you some rubbish for your D,
Everyone in the industry says the same thing. Haven't you noticed that yet?
It's not a fluke.

This should utterly dominate your reasearch....

Myths of grunt master D-series engines online posted by dreamers should not...

In a nut shell, you're considering modifying a D...
This is not a smart thing to do... (or politely, a very bad idea)
The return on investment is appalling...
(particularly since you want value for money)
You don't need to take another step down this path...

You can walk away...


So call me what you want...
But in years to come, you'll look back & know that prick from Toda was right...
D-series

Fair enough you have stated your point. I'm flexible with staying with the D or going for a B. The thing is if say it costs $4000 to make the D get 100kw compared to say $5000 for a B engine swap then it's obviously a no-brainer i'll stick with the D.

But if it costs considerably more (which i'm starting to get the feeling it will) then i will get the B Transplant.

Don't forget i might have to factor in a new clutch & flywheel for the B-Series before I chuck it in so that may cost me a bit more too...

Will has a very valid point too, we could be telling the B-lovers to get a K, but we should all respect different engine types. What bisi have done is quite amazing & it has shown that the D-Series can be pretty decent. They have gotten a lot more respect that someone modding a B.

[lil_foy]

Fair enough you have stated your point. I'm flexible with staying with the D or going for a B. The thing is if say it costs $4000 to make the D get 100kw compared to say $5000 for a B engine swap then it's obviously a no-brainer i'll stick with the D.

There is a difference between power though.
Top-end does not nessecarly win a race, midrange is needed.

Then you have the fact you're using a modified engine and what always comes with modifications? Problems!

Like I said to Bezza, do what you want, but remember, there was a reason they put a b series in the itr, etc.

[JasonGilholme]

Then you have the fact you're using a modified engine and what always comes with modifications? Problems!

Like I said to Bezza, do what you want, but remember, there was a reason they put a b series in the itr, etc.

you won't get major problems if you do it correctly. Lots of big setups on OH that have been really reliable.

Don't forget theres a reason they put a k series in the DC5R. Its cause B's are shit. lol

[A-man]

modifying a d series isnt silly at all...

if you look around theres an endless supply of cheap engines. so for anyone on a budget there great. where prices for b series is still a little rich for the poorer like me. but being young and having a mortgage and having a love for cars, are big strains on a build budget (or lack of). so when people mod these engines i understand.

ive just got mine running
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KMfV7L92E
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KMfV7L92E[/YOUTUBE]


bit of a poor vid but least it runs. no cel lights after i played with it. its lightly worked ycp 12:1, 4-1 headers (ord), arp studs in the bottom end and the head, stock cam , ive also made the fuel system like a k series (the return is in the boot which means there is only 1 feed line to the engine no return) i have a oil pressure gauge in the return end of the fuel rail so i can adjust fuel pressure with a fpr from in the boot. im building up some itbs at the moment but ill wait to c how it goes for now.

being a little new to racing etc. this car has alot of brake and suspension work, and should b a all round fun car. however when a cheap b series or d series turbo kit comes up ill prob grab it

[dougie_504]

If you MUST mod your D then please do it for irrational passion and amusement, not for 'power'.

I can spend less than what it costs for a swap and be making the same power as a stock b16a2, the only real difference is that i have lower power ceiling than the B.

I don't want to appear contradictive for the sake of it, but I'm not sure I agree with this. Like you said, it's all 'relative', and it's common knowledge that a DOHC will get much better gains than a SOHC. So ultimately the B16A2 would win out for relative value, since you don't need to mess with it to make 85-90kw like you do a D16Y1, and to give it the same mods as the D would make it a millenium falcon by comparison.
Out of interest though, since I have a D16Y1 and a B16A, how would you plan to make approximately 90kw atw on a SOHC D, assuming that the B16A2 would make approximately that much power in stock form? Full head build + bolt-ons?

The thing is if say it costs $4000 to make the D get 100kw compared to say $5000 for a B engine swap then it's obviously a no-brainer i'll stick with the D.

The problem here is that a D will cost you a few hundred dollars, a value matched by a single after market camshaft which might fetch you all of 2kw atw?
Again I don't want to be forceful - I love the D's, but the 'no-brainer' here would no doubt be to just splash out another $1k and get the B so that you have a stock motor, not tampered with, and with huge potential by comparison (for when you inevitably need more power).
Furthermore, for $5000 you'd probably be looking at a B18C2 conversion which is stock 125kw, has better gear ratios than a D, and more torque to boot. Or you could do a B16A2 with I/H/E.
IMO either of those B options would give a $4k 100kw D series a good run for it's money - the only problem is that by this stage the D-user is running out of options and needs to spend even larger amounts of money to get those pissy gains from serious mods, compared to the B-user who has various/more worthy options due to the stock B performance.


Like I said, only build D's for fun. I've done CAI and header on mine for $370 so far