big tube headers vs toda

[fatboyz39]

Toda headers works well on B20's. If there was a battle between toda's and big tube and price wasnt a factor ill choose the toda's.

[fatboyz39]

In the real world, off the shelf TODA headers are good for 150~160kw at the wheels when used on a built 2.0L B20 or B18.

That is true.

[GSi_PSi]

Agreed... His acuracty is further improved by stating what he recons; as fact.
This is most effective when he hasn't actully used any of the parts in question...

We can go about dyno numbers , but i guarantee when someone gets proved wrong they will say, oh its a different day, weather, condtions etcc I have used the toda header, i dont just talk out of my ass, but tell me since your so quick to shoot something down thats not toda have worked with these RMF rep headers?. Fair enough you have a business and everything but its kinda hitting the point were its getting childish and highly biased.Isnt the Toda header advertised as a B16A / B18C header. If i had 1500 to spend i would get a custom made, engine specific header designed by either SSR, SMSP or Hytec an off the shelf toda header cant compete with that.

[bungsai]

we'll find out next thursday night hopefully @ recustom

I can head down with a HD cam to record this all for everyone.

[tinkerbell]

We can go about dyno numbers ,

i'd be interested to see the dyno graphs for your set up comparing the Toda's to the RMF copy's you are running?

[EG5]

In the real world, off the shelf TODA headers are good for 150~160kw at the wheels when used on a built 2.0L B20 or B18.

And a proven high 12 sec pass on DC2R chasis in circuit trim chasis around 6 years ago .
-3.5 camber on the front on my old 22x8x15 slicks set up.
Remember Jason's old dc2r?

[TODA AU]

We can go about dyno numbers , but i guarantee when someone gets proved wrong they will say, oh its a different day, weather, condtions etcc I have used the toda header, i dont just talk out of my ass, but tell me since your so quick to shoot something down thats not toda have worked with these RMF rep headers?. Fair enough you have a business and everything but its kinda hitting the point were its getting childish and highly biased.Isnt the Toda header advertised as a B16A / B18C header. If i had 1500 to spend i would get a custom made, engine specific header designed by either SSR, SMSP or Hytec an off the shelf toda header cant compete with that.

Childish & biased…. LOL…
Righto… I’ll put it another way
Hi, I’m “Harry Potter” & my job is to turn shit into chocolate…

Though we build & tune our own engines,
We also tune many engines / combinations from other workshops & individuals.
In doing this we really do get to see & test a lot of alternative combinations.
So yes, I’ve tuned a number of cars with RMF rep headers & the real RMF’s, Genuine Hytech’s, SSR’s & SMSP’s
& there’s a whole host of copy headers flowing through the market these days too…
So I am not being childish & biased when I say your claims are nonsense.
I’m basing my opinion on years of real tuning experience.
Reflecting on that I can honestly put my hand up & say no, I think you’re wrong… (Perhaps I should add more why in & be a little less abrasive..)
I understand you believe you’re offering sound advice, but it just doesn’t stack up.
When an engine doesn’t have much fruit in it (close to stock) & the tuner isn’t really going to lean on it…
It really doesn’t matter which header you get because the results are pretty similar…
(Except when it comes to part throttle power… Here Toda leads the way again…
To be blunt, this is just a fact… It remains true, regardless of discussion otherwise.)
It’s when the power levels get higher the gap widens… & this is where your theory is backtofront
I understand Toda headers aren’t cheap & many guys can’t afford them…
But that doesn’t mean they don’t work…
If you can afford them, they’re pretty much a good as it gets is you want up to 160kw…
Above that level you need custom headers or our SPL ones…
But below that… The off the shelf Toda’s are really hard to match let alone beat… Custom or not.

There are 2 output versions available off the shelf….
B16B – for 1600cc engines… (Smaller secondaries)
B18CR – For 1800~2000cc engines
The model designation gives an indication of flange type & vehicle type intended.

Though the header is a key component in the combination,
If the combination isn’t sound, it doesn’t matter what header you have.
Also tuning plays a big role… Not just ECU but cam timing etc.
This can make one header look bad & another shine. (just on a swap)

[cotties]

i just myself some skunk2 megapower headers cant wait to try them out

[tinkerbell]

on which engine combo?

and what was the price?

[spoonfed]

hey guys i have a very basic b20 swap on my dc2 and i have had a set of off the shelf toda header and i was happy with them the car made 125.7kw with the toda but i also have a set of smsp b19 header now and there was a differences in my dyno figure of 6.2kw and now before anyone jump up and say weather and so on the temp difference was 1 deg and it was the same tuner and same dyno so that my view i like both header but i love the smsp but for my new b20 set up im use a custom set made by dh racing

[90LAN]

what was the price differences ?

[OB]

there was a differences in my dyno figure of 6.2kw

So i'm assuming that 6.2kw was a difference in peak power? what did the rest of the curve look like...? was there a difference in power throughout the curve?