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 Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Get the Type S, its what the Type R should be in the first place, besides it revs higher than the Aust Type-R. Hardcore Honda enthusiast should know that, people are just fooling themselves getting the Aust. version Type R with a K20A2 engine instead of the K20A
That statement is bs EVLGTR...here's my perception of a DC5R. Firstly, DC2R or DC5R or DC5S here are both the watered down version (one is more watered down...watever...fact is they're both watered down from their japanese counterpart...so no point being biased saying one is newer or older, true type r/more raw/soft, looks better than the other...yeah watever...your mum...its a matter of our own biased opinion).
Personally i've always liked the DC5R since it first came out, hence that is why i bought it ; looks good as what a sports car in its price range should look like, it has appeal, decent power, intended to serve a specific purpose. It may not be the fastest car but long story short; i enjoy driving 600+kms on a full tank even with occasional redline, i enjoy sitting in the recaros & looking at it from outside, i enjoy never having any problems since i bought it, i gotten use to the minimalistic interior - suits me just fine, i like the massive bootspace, i like the decently sized backseat, i enjoy the lack of police attention, i enjoy saying "its not that quick man, but it handles quite well", ohh and i enjoy chillin with the honda boys...good people...LOL
Last edited by Zinyo; 16-04-2010 at 05:27 PM.
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very good car as i have a blue one and a sexy blue interior...
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Originally Posted by 45SET
AUDM DC5R has the JDM Type R Chassis... were as the AUDM Type S doesn’t.
Your statement about the Type S having more tuning potential is total crap. Both cars have the same tuning potential, as has been proven time and time again.
Stock for stock both the cars are on par with each other. The Type S might have more power (An enormous 7kw), but it has more weight (Due to sunroof, sound deadening, airbags in the seats etc)... it also lacks an LSD. Also the K20z1 only has the exhaust cam of the K20a.
As has been discussed on this forum (And many others), both the cars are great, both the cars are going to react very similarly to engine mods. You just have to decide, do you want the boy racer look with Recaro's (Type R), or do you want the more subtle look with leather seats (Type S)
...Looks like you dont really see whats beyond the Aus DC5R. Aust motoring reviewers and experts states the Type-S is superior to the Aus Type-R.
1: Recaro seats are heavier than the Type-S leather seats.
2: All Aust DC5 R's came with the optional A/C and audio.
3: Aus DC5R are limited to 7800 rpm redline whereas DC5S is at 8100 rpm
4: DC5S significantly have more body rigidity, hence the strut brace and the front and the rear crossmember due to the chassis being heavier (where its the same as the updated DC5R).
5: Gearing ratio of the TYPE-S are longer at the 4, 5 and 6 gears therefore its faster.
6: the Aust DC5R doesnt have the JDM exhaust camshaft.
7: Type S handles a lot better than the Aus DC5R due to body rigidity, steering response, Suspension geometry...etc.
8: LSD is used to reduce torque steer on an FF layout, a simple revised front "symmetrical" suspension geometry on the Type-S can also eliminate that or bump steer
...There are endless refinement to the Type S over the aust Type R. At the end of the day stock vs stock Type S is what the Aust Type R shouldve been in the first place. You guys are getting fooled by the badge and PLUS on the other hand the Aust DC5R is a run-of-the-mill version of the JDM DC5 Type R.
Just because its the badge "TYPE R" doesnt mean its the "real" TYPE-R, the TYPE-S is the closest thing to the REAL JDM Type-R...
I was going to get an Aust DC5 Type R but knowing it aint the real JDM spec then why try???....lmao
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Originally Posted by sretocz
HAHAHAH, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
HAHAHAHA, sounds like you havent driven a Type S before and cant differentiate between the spec of the K20a and a K20a2
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LOL i dont mean to stir the pot but I bet you guys are feeling a little delusioned knowing our K20A2 isnt the "same" as the K20a.....the reality is we've been ripped off 15 kw at the end of the day.
In my opinion, id rather the DC2 JDM Type R or the EP3 Type-R that we already have on our shores....
Both of our Aust DC5 Type R and Type S are one of the slowest amongst JDM Type-R series anyway so why argue over it... ROFL
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Originally Posted by Zinyo
That statement is bs EVLGTR...here's my perception of a DC5R. Firstly, DC2R or DC5R or DC5S here are both the watered down version (one is more watered down...watever...fact is they're both watered down from their japanese counterpart...so no point being biased saying one is newer or older, true type r/more raw/soft, looks better than the other...yeah watever...your mum...its a matter of our own biased opinion).
Personally i've always liked the DC5R since it first came out, hence that is why i bought it ; looks good as what a sports car in its price range should look like, it has appeal, decent power, intended to serve a specific purpose. It may not be the fastest car but long story short; i enjoy driving 600+kms on a full tank even with occasional redline, i enjoy sitting in the recaros & looking at it from outside, i enjoy never having any problems since i bought it, i gotten use to the minimalistic interior - suits me just fine, i like the massive bootspace, i like the decently sized backseat, i enjoy the lack of police attention, i enjoy saying "its not that quick man, but it handles quite well", ohh and i enjoy chillin with the honda boys...good people...LOL
LOLL It aint bs brother, im telling the truth and getting all my sources and facts from motoring reviewers and experts here in Australia.
Its a fact that you guys own an Aus DC5R and DONT want to hear that its inferior to a DC5S and a lot more inferior to the JDM DC5R....LOL.
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Originally Posted by EVLGTR
...Looks like you dont really see whats beyond the Aus DC5R. Aust motoring reviewers and experts states the Type-S is superior to the Aus Type-R.
1: Recaro seats are heavier than the Type-S leather seats.
2: All Aust DC5 R's came with the optional A/C and audio.
3: Aus DC5R are limited to 7800 rpm redline whereas DC5S is at 8100 rpm
4: DC5S significantly have more body rigidity, hence the strut brace and the front and the rear crossmember due to the chassis being heavier (where its the same as the updated DC5R).
5: Gearing ratio of the TYPE-S are longer at the 4, 5 and 6 gears therefore its faster.
6: the Aust DC5R doesnt have the JDM exhaust camshaft.
7: Type S handles a lot better than the Aus DC5R due to body rigidity, steering response, Suspension geometry...etc.
8: LSD is used to reduce torque steer on an FF layout, a simple revised front "symmetrical" suspension geometry on the Type-S can also eliminate that or bump steer
...There are endless refinement to the Type S over the aust Type R. At the end of the day stock vs stock Type S is what the Aust Type R shouldve been in the first place. You guys are getting fooled by the badge and PLUS on the other hand the Aust DC5R is a run-of-the-mill version of the JDM DC5 Type R.
Just because its the badge "TYPE R" doesnt mean its the "real" TYPE-R, the TYPE-S is the closest thing to the REAL JDM Type-R...
I was going to get an Aust DC5 Type R but knowing it aint the real JDM spec then why try???....lmao
Dont get me wrong here.
I have a DC5S and I love my car but how is it that the DC5S is superior to a DC5R?
What criteria are you basing this judgement on?
The only way a DC5S can be thought of as superior to a DC5R is on the street, it is more suitable for Australian roads.
Its more comforatble with leather seats, sound deadening and sunroof.
But this is where the added weight comes in.
DC5S is 1230kgs vs the DC5R 1170kgs (from www.redbook.com.au).
You would have to be delusional to think that Recaros are heavier than the leather seats of a DC5S.
The leather seats weigh a tonne compared to the Recaros.
Its true that the DC5S is more similar to the JDM DC5R gaining an extra 7kw through cams and larger exhaust diameter and what not.
But this advantage is lost when it is considerably heavier than the DC5R.
If anything, the DC5S has less tuning potential than the DC5R.
Most DC5S are not Kpro compatible. You need an 02-04 harness.
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We are all aware that the JDM Type R has the better engine (K20a), that it has the Brembo brakes (Along with a few other suspension bits)... but that's about it. The AUDM DC5R still has the JDM chassis, still has the Recaro seats, still has the Type R body kit... it still even has the Type R badge and Red Honda badge…
The point of a car manufacturer building a new car is to improve it... so of course the face-lift Type S is going to have a few improvements over the preface-lift Type R. But once you start modifying suspension, sway bars, intake and exhaust... these changes start becoming marginal.
None of us Type R owners are kidding our selves. Have you thought that maybe the Type S was out of some people price range when they bought their Type R’s? I’ve owned mine for 4 years, and I know that when I bought my car the Type R was already a few grand more then I wanted to spend, and at that time the Type S was roughly 10k more then the Type R, and I’ve been more then happy with my "shit watered down" Type R for the last 4 years.
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Originally Posted by DC5.Raven
Dont get me wrong here.
I have a DC5S and I love my car but how is it that the DC5S is superior to a DC5R?
What criteria are you basing this judgement on?
The only way a DC5S can be thought of as superior to a DC5R is on the street, it is more suitable for Australian roads.
Its more comforatble with leather seats, sound deadening and sunroof.
But this is where the added weight comes in.
DC5S is 1230kgs vs the DC5R 1170kgs (from www.redbook.com.au).
You would have to be delusional to think that Recaros are heavier than the leather seats of a DC5S.
The leather seats weigh a tonne compared to the Recaros.
Its true that the DC5S is more similar to the JDM DC5R gaining an extra 7kw through cams and larger exhaust diameter and what not.
But this advantage is lost when it is considerably heavier than the DC5R.
If anything, the DC5S has less tuning potential than the DC5R.
Most DC5S are not Kpro compatible. You need an 02-04 harness.
The 1170kgs figure is the Japanese figure meaning having no A/C, no Audio....etc....the actual figure is closer than you think to the Type-S
Theres not a lot of difference in weight. The handling characteristic of the DC5S has improved over the DC5R...the susspension geometry, steering response, braking feel, chassis re-inforcement so that negates the thought of being a lesser car against the Aus DC5R on the track. The gearing ratio is also longer on the DC5S
LMAO @ redbook dont do justice in weighing of the car.....
its like me posting this: http://www.carbuddy.com.au/car/resea...7&tid=12466166 <-----1160kgs DC5S which is bs.
Weigh the Recaro seats and the Type-S seats and see for yourself
DC5S Less tuning potential??....You even said it so get an 02-04 Harness to answer your question..simple LOL
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Originally Posted by 45SET
Stock for stock both the cars are on par with each other. The Type S might have more power (An enormous 7kw), but it has more weight (Due to sunroof, sound deadening, airbags in the seats etc)... it also lacks an LSD. Also the K20z1 only has the exhaust cam of the K20a.
Not to mention, DC5S dont have the rear intrusion bar like type r's do 
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Weigh the Recaro seats and the Type-S seats and see for yourself
At the end of the day, DC5S is still heavier. Its not the weight of the seats that matters, its the overall weight. And if you're so keen on less weight, then why not just strip the whole car? People will always have their different views on DC5R vs DC5S, but like 45SET stated, DC5S will obviously have improvements (why build a newer model if you're not going to improve it?). Though, at the end of the day, there is probably more S owners who wished they owned an R 
Last edited by acurabot; 20-04-2010 at 10:37 AM.
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Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Get the DC5 05-06 Type S, the K20Z1 engine spec is a lot closer to the JDM-spec Type R K20A such as the Camshafts, crankshafts, throttle body size, exhaust manifold diameter..etc. plus more tweaks on the suspension geometry, quicker Steering response, overall body rigidity, gearing ratio....
The Aust 1st generation DC5 "Type R" K20A2 is a watered-down version thats only suitable for Australian RON type fuel. The Type S has a lot more tuning potential, based on the JDM model and further refined for the Australian RON fuel
Here you have claimed that there is alot more tuning potential than the AUDM DC5R.
How does it have more tuning potential when most of them are not compatible with Kpro on their own.
As opposed to DC5Rs, in which ALL are compatible with Kpro.
They both have almost identical tuning potential.
If you wanted to get technical then the DC5S does has less tuning potential due to the ECU's compatibility with Kpro.
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
The 1170kgs figure is the Japanese figure meaning having no A/C, no Audio....etc....the actual figure is closer than you think to the Type-S
Theres not a lot of difference in weight. The handling characteristic of the DC5S has improved over the DC5R...the susspension geometry, steering response, braking feel, chassis re-inforcement so that negates the thought of being a lesser car against the Aus DC5R on the track. The gearing ratio is also longer on the DC5S
LMAO @ redbook dont do justice in weighing of the car.....
its like me posting this: http://www.carbuddy.com.au/car/resea...7&tid=12466166 <-----1160kgs DC5S which is bs.
Weigh the Recaro seats and the Type-S seats and see for yourself
DC5S Less tuning potential??....You even said it so get an 02-04 Harness to answer your question..simple LOL
You are one of these people who enforce that car x is better than car y. (In your case DC5S > DC5R)
Both have advantages and disadvatages in their own right and people are entitled to their own opinion.
There is no absolute on which car is better.
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