Spoon hots up the FN2

[Antv]

mate i wasn't the one telling everyone that i should go buy a STI and smoke all of us.

if you were that interested in a STI you wouldn't be on a Honda forum.

no need to talk crap like that on OH

+1 to you mate.

[040501912]

it had no springs? all i saw was shocks? LOL wtf

its what is called torsion beam suspension

the springs are attached to the beam not to the shocks..

go have a look under a jazz and you will understand!

thats why they were saying the FN2R are not a good base for race because of the old style rear susy compared to the FD2R
but they still do it LOL!!

[burak213]

but they still do it LOL!!

Because it's cheaper, if you were wondering why

[doma]

its what is called torsion beam suspension

the springs are attached to the beam not to the shocks..

go have a look under a jazz and you will understand!

thats why they were saying the FN2R are not a good base for race because of the old style rear susy compared to the FD2R
but they still do it LOL!!

Really? Torsion beam is not a good base for race because of the old style?

Then explain how Mugen made a torsion beam Type R faster than IRS Type R?

On the Bedford Autodrome West circuit:

Mugen FN - 1:28.6 (ranked 36)
Mugen FD RR - 1:29.30 (ranked 42)
Civic Type R FD2 - 1:31.00 (ranked 48)
Civic Type R FN2 CW with LSD - 1:31.8 (ranked 51)
Civic Type R FN2 no LSD - 1:34.9 (ranked 71)

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track49.html

Torsion beam or not, this just proves that what the Australian FN2 lacked was LSD. With LSD now standard, there is only peanuts between the FN2 and jap FD2.

[Philip Lee]

iirc that Mugen FN lap was done by a prototype with semi slicks.

Mugen FD was a production car (street tyre ie. RE070).

7/10 faster on semi seems like a poor effort....

[doma]

iirc that Mugen FN lap was done by a prototype with semi slicks.

Mugen FD was a production car (street tyre ie. RE070).

7/10 faster on semi seems like a poor effort....

But if torsion beam is so shit then surely with production tyres it should beat the prototype car on slicks?

And you're wrong, Mugen FN wasn't raced in slicks.

Don't forget, Type R is FWD. A rear torsion beam has relatively minor effects on the car. As long as the front suspension on the FN2 is well set up it should be able to handle pretty well.

FN2 just needs LSD, which it now does.

Just look at the track times of CW FN2 with LSD against Jap FD2. Both factory stock with LSD on street tyres.

You kids keep jumping on the Jeremy Clarkson bandwagon, you forget the real issue is not about torsion beam rear suspension when the car is actually FWD.

It's just a pity the car weighs a bit more, but that's the price you pay for added luxuries.

[doma]

CW FN2 with LSD is only 8/10ths a second slower than Jap FD2.

A pretty poor effort for a car that weighs less and produces more hp.

[Philip Lee]

And you're wrong, Mugen FN wasn't raced in slicks..

here is prove:

The 18in forged alloys are each 5kg lighter than the standard car’s items and are wrapped in trackday-spec Yokohama Neovas.

EVO article here

where/when did i said the time was set with slick??? i said semi slick.

[doma]

But you still havent answered my question.

Why is FN2 with rear torsion beam and LSD only 8/10 slower than FD2 when FD2 weighs less, produces more hp and has IRS?

Surely if FD2 is king kong it would rape it by at least 2 seconds.

[Philip Lee]

lol @ your question.

so stock FD has more horse, weight less and better sussy so it's faster than a stock FN. this is fact and there is nothing for me to prove.

when u claimed Mugen FN is faster than Mugen FD, i was merely proving to you that they were not comparing stock car with stock car.

i don't drive a FD2R or a FN2R so i don't care about your argument. my point was only giving you some facts.

[doma]

lol @ your question.

so stock FD has more horse, weight less and better sussy so it's faster than a stock FN. this is fact and there is nothing for me to prove.

when u claimed Mugen FN is faster than Mugen FD, i was merely proving you that they were not comparing stock car with stock car.

You are the biggest noob as all you do is avoid the fact and give excuses such as semi slick tyres.

Of course they are both not stock. They are both tuned by Mugen.

I was making a point that torsion beam Mugen is faster than IRS Mugen.

Stock vs Stock... FD2R vs FN2R both with LSD... the FD2R is only 8/10ths faster.

A very poor effort.

So in actual fact, FN2R is not as bad as you think. It just needs LSD and shed some weight, and it'll beat FD2R, regardless of the rear suspension.

[doma]

All you stupid noobs ever say when you see FN2 beat FD2 is that the FN2 is not stock, blah blah blah

You're so quick to dismiss and judge that you ignore pertinent points you are so delusional.

I'm not saying FN2 is faster than FD2, I'm saying, dont be too quick to judge the FN2. It's better than you think it is.

For a car that weighs 100kg more with less hp, the FN2 is only 8/10ths slower than FD2.

Stop ignoring this statistic.